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December 31st, 2004  
devilwasp
 
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Originally Posted by 03USMC
You are making it sound as if US Forces are scooping subjects up at random and subjecting them to torture.
Am I?
I dont mean to , I'm just saying that some members of the insurgents havent done anything at all except support them aka say they do and give them money.
Have the killed anyone? no!
December 31st, 2004  
03USMC
 
 
How about. Conspiracy to Commit Terrorist Acts, Conspiracy to Commit Murder, Aiding and Abetting?
December 31st, 2004  
devilwasp
 
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Originally Posted by 03USMC
How about. Conspiracy to Commit Terrorist Acts, Conspiracy to Commit Murder, Aiding and Abetting?
How about self defense, how about trying to free your country?
Would america resort to ressistance like movements if it was invaded?
YES
Same with every country.
The ones who cut peoples heads off are bstrds and should be shot but there are diffrent groups.
You cant see everything as black and white its grey.
Heres a quiz, did the IRA support fighting?
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December 31st, 2004  
03USMC
 
 
But everything is black and white. If I give someone money with the knowledge that said money will be used to fund the bombing of an airliner. Then I'am culpable for that act as well.

The IRA or the Provo's?
December 31st, 2004  
devilwasp
 
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Originally Posted by 03USMC
But everything is black and white. If I give someone money with the knowledge that said money will be used to fund the bombing of an airliner. Then I'am culpable for that act as well.

The IRA or the Provo's?
The IRA.
Since when did iraqi insurgents cause the WTC or the pentagon?
December 31st, 2004  
03USMC
 
 
That was an example of Conspiracy for you not a statement of facts. But okay, here. If I give someone money knowing that money is used to fund the suicide bombing of an Iraqi Police Station then I am culpable for that act also. Better?

No the IRA at least the political arm did not advocate terrorist tactics thats why PIRA broke off.
December 31st, 2004  
devilwasp
 
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Originally Posted by 03USMC
That was an example of Conspiracy for you not a statement of facts. But okay, here. If I give someone money knowing that money is used to fund the suicide bombing of an Iraqi Police Station then I am culpable for that act also. Better?
Yes that is a conspiricy to murder but the man doesnt know that is what it will be used for.
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No the IRA at least the political arm did not advocate terrorist tactics thats why PIRA broke off.
Well done, now can you classify them as terrorists?
December 31st, 2004  
03USMC
 
 
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Originally Posted by devilwasp
Yes that is a conspiricy to murder but the man doesnt know that is what it will be used for.
Well done, now can you classify them as terrorists?


If you donate money to Red Cross your pretty sure it will be used for relief efforts. Right?

If you donate Money to say Hammas. Well then your pretty sure it will be used for some Nasty Stuff. Right?

Sorry I can't buy the whole line of thought that as long as they are not actively involved in a terrorist act that their hands are clean. Especially if they give monetary support to known terrorist organizations.

They may not have pulled the trigger. But they bought the gun.

PIRA as terrorists? Technically yes they fit the profile.
December 31st, 2004  
Jason Bourne
 
well devilwasp, most rich people are really really stingy about what their money is going for, so ususally rather then giving blindly, they know who they are giving their money to and for what purpose it will be used, you see if some guy comes to me and asks to borrow my gun so he can shoot up a school, well if i give him the gun, then i am responsible for his actions.
December 31st, 2004  
devilwasp
 
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Originally Posted by 03USMC


If you donate money to Red Cross your pretty sure it will be used for relief efforts. Right?
Ah now there is a diffrence between "pretty sure" and 100% positive.
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If you donate Money to say Hammas. Well then your pretty sure it will be used for some Nasty Stuff. Right?
Actually hamas is not just terrorist stuff, they do help the comunity and do other stuff.
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Sorry I can't buy the whole line of thought that as long as they are not actively involved in a terrorist act that their hands are clean. Especially if they give monetary support to known terrorist organizations.
Who is to deem it is terrorist though?
The british government deemed american fighters in the independance war terrorists. "terrorist is someone fighting a government or more.
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They may not have pulled the trigger. But they bought the gun.
You can not say that they bought the gun, they gave money to the person.
It could have been to help that person or to help the comunity.
Remember the IRA and PIRA helped the comunity in ireland cause they didnt like drugs.
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PIRA as terrorists? Technically yes they fit the profile.
But they are fighting for "freedom" aren they not?
Which is what americans where fighting for during the inderpendance war, yes no?