US torturing terror suspects?
How about self defense, how about trying to free your country?03USMC said:
Would america resort to ressistance like movements if it was invaded?
YES
Same with every country.
The ones who cut peoples heads off are bstrds and should be shot but there are diffrent groups.
You cant see everything as black and white its grey.
Heres a quiz, did the IRA support fighting?
03USMC
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That was an example of Conspiracy for you not a statement of facts. But okay, here. If I give someone money knowing that money is used to fund the suicide bombing of an Iraqi Police Station then I am culpable for that act also. Better?
No the IRA at least the political arm did not advocate terrorist tactics thats why PIRA broke off.
No the IRA at least the political arm did not advocate terrorist tactics thats why PIRA broke off.
03USMC
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devilwasp said:
If you donate money to Red Cross your pretty sure it will be used for relief efforts. Right?
If you donate Money to say Hammas. Well then your pretty sure it will be used for some Nasty Stuff. Right?
Sorry I can't buy the whole line of thought that as long as they are not actively involved in a terrorist act that their hands are clean. Especially if they give monetary support to known terrorist organizations.
They may not have pulled the trigger. But they bought the gun.
PIRA as terrorists? Technically yes they fit the profile.
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well devilwasp, most rich people are really really stingy about what their money is going for, so ususally rather then giving blindly, they know who they are giving their money to and for what purpose it will be used, you see if some guy comes to me and asks to borrow my gun so he can shoot up a school, well if i give him the gun, then i am responsible for his actions.
Ah now there is a diffrence between "pretty sure" and 100% positive.03USMC said:
Actually hamas is not just terrorist stuff, they do help the comunity and do other stuff.
Who is to deem it is terrorist though?
The british government deemed american fighters in the independance war terrorists. "terrorist is someone fighting a government or more.
You can not say that they bought the gun, they gave money to the person.
It could have been to help that person or to help the comunity.
Remember the IRA and PIRA helped the comunity in ireland cause they didnt like drugs.
But they are fighting for "freedom" aren they not?
Which is what americans where fighting for during the inderpendance war, yes no?
I dont remember iraqi insurgents sending 747's to america to crash into a building, as i recall that was alquida not the insurgents.03USMC said:I don't recall any record of George Washington dispatching Colonials to London in order to bomb Civilian Targets. Like Department Stores.
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devilwasp said:I dont remember iraqi insurgents sending 747's to america to crash into a building, as i recall that was alquida not the insurgents.03USMC said:I don't recall any record of George Washington dispatching Colonials to London in order to bomb Civilian Targets. Like Department Stores.
Okay I'm not understanding your point here. Your saying that the Insurgents are Freedom Fighters?
Redneck
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devilwasp said:
And unless you subscribe to the moral relativist school of thought, in which case it is pointless to discuss this further, one of those men is wrong. Just because a person believes something or thinks a certain way doesn't make it right or ok. There is a line, whatever some folks may tell you, between being open minded and being stupid.,
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the insurgents aren't just killing Americans, but also their own people, since when do you murder your own people when fighting for freedom, usually freedom fighters wants support from their own people.
it is Ian Fleming by the way, and the guy James Bond was based off of died about 10 months ago unfortunately, he was a naval intelligence officer
it is Ian Fleming by the way, and the guy James Bond was based off of died about 10 months ago unfortunately, he was a naval intelligence officer
You have seen the crowds on TV when they see americans comeing around in thier town aka civilians.03USMC said:
Also i do believe that america was helped and helped terrorists in the cold war. You cant say that just because they recieve help from your enemy that they do everything like the enemy.