US torturing terror suspects? - Page 13




 
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January 1st, 2005  
Charge 7
 
 
Depends on the five guys? Okay let's see. How many of us have more time in service than you have in existence? We have some idea of the subject matter. Your's is only hypothosis. Until somebody shows me where the US is torturing people on any kind of an approved official SOP, all your statements are "what ifs" at best and slander at the worst.
January 1st, 2005  
devilwasp
 
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Originally Posted by Charge_7
Depends on the five guys? Okay let's see. How many of us have more time in service than you have in existence? We have some idea of the subject matter. Your's is only hypothosis. Until somebody shows me where the US is torturing people on any kind of an approved official SOP, all your statements are "what ifs" at best and slander at the worst.
Well there are reports of insurgents being interogated and abused hell even photographs.
You may have more exsperience in service but do you know everything about the military?
I am only suggesting looking at it from a diffrent angle, i dont require a degree to suggest that.
I have talked to many service men and my cousins fiancee is a marine in training and I've know him for several years.
Hell my sargent is ex army.
January 1st, 2005  
Redneck
 
 
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Originally Posted by devilwasp
Well there are reports of insurgents being interogated and abused h**l even photographs.
You may have more exsperience in service but do you know everything about the military?
I am only suggesting looking at it from a diffrent angle, i dont require a degree to suggest that.
I have talked to many service men and my cousins fiancee is a marine in training and I've know him for several years.
h**l my sargent is ex army.
The point is he has far more military experience than you will ever have, considering your attitude, and you would do well to approach not only Charge_7 with a great deal more respect, but the rest of the members here as well.
So you know a couple servicemen, right? How does this give any credence whatsoever to what you are claiming? And "suggesting....a diffrent angle" is fine, but you are doing so without providing a single shred of evidence to support your claims that, as Charge_7 mentioned, are highly insulting to a good part of the member base on this forum.
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January 1st, 2005  
devilwasp
 
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Originally Posted by Redneck

The point is he has far more military experience than you will ever have, considering your attitude, and you would do well to approach not only Charge_7 with a great deal more respect, but the rest of the members here as well.
BTW how will he have more exsperience than i will, i could serve for just as long as him.

I have not given them any disrespect, if they think so then i did not mean so.
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So you know a couple servicemen, right? How does this give any credence whatsoever to what you are claiming? And "suggesting....a diffrent angle" is fine, but you are doing so without providing a single shred of evidence to support your claims that, as Charge_7 mentioned, are highly insulting to a good part of the member base on this forum.
what have i not given evidence for?
That is disrespect and you have a right to do that but its not really fair to do that, what more do you want me to do?
What pieces of evidence do you want shown?
Ask me and i will show if not then i will take back what i said.
January 1st, 2005  
03USMC
 
 
Let me say this to Mr. Wasp.

You seem to have the somewhat slanted Idea that I and other members of this board, see all persons of Middle Eastern and or Islamic orgin as terrorists.

Wrong

Several of us have actually had dealings with these people within their own countries. Not just from what we are given to read, or what interviews or segements the media decides to run or what some person in the guise of an educator decides to espouse from the safety of their podium.

You see Wasp we have actually shared or chow, our water ,our smokes and our pancho liners with these people. We know that they are not all terrorists. Why we refer to Terrorists as extermists. So your thinnley vailed accusations of racism are so much tripe meant to make yourself feel better.

Torture? You have yet nor has anyone else given any hard evidence that supports your accusations. The Prison Scandal? Fine. Those soliders were charged. And really does underwear on the head and naked pictures eqaute torture? Degradation yes.

Have ever in your tender young years actually seen the end result of torture? If you had there would be no confusion about the two.
January 1st, 2005  
devilwasp
 
You may have shared a cow or water with these people, yet you seem to classify all terror groups the same.
You said if you gave hamas money it most likely would go to harming people, that simply isnt true.
Degradation is a form of torture, just about everything can be.
If your talking about physcial or mental torture then i agree i have not seen the end results but i would not like to.
http://www.denverpost.com/cda/articl...157003,00.html

Is one case.

And one case of it happening in Guantanamo bay in cuba,

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6672698/
These may be seperate incidents but frankly this does not look good.
January 1st, 2005  
03USMC
 
 
News Articles and or investigations do not hard evidence make. Charges being brought on evidence discovered are what will convince me. And you apparently don't have any, and are flying by the seat of your pants or the depth of your anti US agenda as it were.

Next time I need to have how I classify people explained to me. Or I want my military expierance belittled. I will let someone know. However it wont be you Junior.
January 1st, 2005  
devilwasp
 
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Originally Posted by 03USMC
News Articles and or investigations do not hard evidence make. Charges being brought on evidence discovered are what will convince me. And you apparently don't have any, and are flying by the seat of your pants or the depth of your anti US agenda as it were.
Do not make hard evidence?????
Ok I'll leave this front since you seem to think the evidence i have provided is "fake" or "not real evidence".
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Next time I need to have how I classify people explained to me. Or I want my military expierance belittled. I will let someone know. However it wont be you Junior.
With all due respect SIR! I do not believe the way you classify people is right , sir! Further more, sir, would you kindly not call me , "junior" as i am not in any way a relation to you. SIR!
January 1st, 2005  
03USMC
 
 
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Originally Posted by devilwasp
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Originally Posted by 03USMC
News Articles and or investigations do not hard evidence make. Charges being brought on evidence discovered are what will convince me. And you apparently don't have any, and are flying by the seat of your pants or the depth of your anti US agenda as it were.
Do not make hard evidence?????
Ok I'll leave this front since you seem to think the evidence i have provided is "fake" or "not real evidence".
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Next time I need to have how I classify people explained to me. Or I want my military expierance belittled. I will let someone know. However it wont be you Junior.
With all due respect SIR! I do not believe the way you classify people is right , sir! Further more, sir, would you kindly not call me , "junior" as i am not in any way a relation to you. SIR!
Accusations are not evidence,circumstanial nor hard. I gather evidence and conduct investigations for a living. You show me a completed Investigation conducted by FBI, NCIS, CID. That garnered enough evidence to have charges preferred. Not Media releases.

I really could care less if you agree or disgree with how I classify Terrorists from the rest of the Middle East, Latin America or Europe. I am just not inclined to have my value system questioned by a Cadet .

Fine I won't call ya Junior. Okay Skippy.
January 1st, 2005  
chewie_nz
 
i think one point that has been missed up to till now is that i doesn't actually have to be true...people just have to believe it. and right now, no body in the middle east is having a great deal of trouble believing that american troops are willing to just drag anyone away.

hearts & minds