US Army/Marine Corps Weapons Platoon Structure
greenlantern11b
Active member
I think that makes you a hypocrite. Because you don't like the facts i've posted you think its ok for someone to call me a dumbass but I can't retaliate? How does that make sense?
AZ_Infantry
Active member
Greenlantern,
You are embarrassing my Blue Rope, earned long before you were ever out of diapers.
You embarrass my AF officer son.
You embarrass my MC son.
You embarrass my fresh-out-of-AIT-on-18-Aug daughter.
I am sick and tired of your ancient, antiquated and, lately, Facebook rhetoric. There are only TWO types of soldiers I know that ever talk like you: a f-ing FOBBIT loser intent on internet bravado and a soldier who wishes they were that that good.
Seriously, STFU. My Marine and Army Infantry brothers are sick of it, and if I ever met you in an NCO club, your three little pathetic stripes would find you in alt training for those that can't hack it in a man's army. I'm a 3-striper, ETS'd 1993, and I'm embarrassed that my daughter has people like you to consider as NCOs.
Just go away. You are impressing no one here. I'm sure Face book has the perfect place for your wanna-be azz. Here ain't it. Get off of my site and take your pathetic bravado with you. If you want to know what it takes to be a man, PM me.
You are embarrassing my Blue Rope, earned long before you were ever out of diapers.
You embarrass my AF officer son.
You embarrass my MC son.
You embarrass my fresh-out-of-AIT-on-18-Aug daughter.
I am sick and tired of your ancient, antiquated and, lately, Facebook rhetoric. There are only TWO types of soldiers I know that ever talk like you: a f-ing FOBBIT loser intent on internet bravado and a soldier who wishes they were that that good.
Seriously, STFU. My Marine and Army Infantry brothers are sick of it, and if I ever met you in an NCO club, your three little pathetic stripes would find you in alt training for those that can't hack it in a man's army. I'm a 3-striper, ETS'd 1993, and I'm embarrassed that my daughter has people like you to consider as NCOs.
Just go away. You are impressing no one here. I'm sure Face book has the perfect place for your wanna-be azz. Here ain't it. Get off of my site and take your pathetic bravado with you. If you want to know what it takes to be a man, PM me.
tomtom22
Chief Engineer
Good advice to you, greenlantern, you should take it.
greenlantern11b
Active member
I looked at your profile... E-4... did 8 ****ing years. And IM the shitbag? You haven't even deployed, boot. Hit me up if you ever become a COMBAT veteran.
SigJohnson
Your mum
Tell you what greenlantern. I think you are a ****wit. How about you take your pissing comp somewhere else. You can't win when you squat to piss. Absolute ****ing clown. I seriously hope you are not the standard of the modern US Army. I would be seriously embarrassed to serve next to you. make life easy on all of us and just **** off.
brinktk
Active member
You came in the Army when they were taking anyone who was breathing. Promotion standards are not what they used to be. You're the result of an Army strung out and worn down from war. The standards have slipped considerably in the last 10 years. Your disrespect is very evident of this point. Who do you think you are? Do you talk to your peers and subordinates in this way? You were obviously promoted entirely too fast to SGT. ANYBODY can make points. You don't have the head, or the experience to be a Non Commissioned Officer. You think being a combat vet is the end all be all...it's not. You have a lot to learn about soldiering, leading, and most importantly about life. You have no context to place your experience against. You're still on your first duty station for crying out loud. You're screaming for attention because you happen to be a combat vet. That and a buck fifty will get you a cup of coffee. People with your attitude have never truly been in combat. They are out for their own glorification, their own pride, and their own selfish desires. Real combat is a humbling experience. It teaches you how much you don't know. How much life can really be a nightmare. With it comes great sorrow and pain at the losses that are associated with all tragedies in life. You're still piss and vinegar. You most likely got yourself a blanket CIB and now think you're entitled to bump shoulders with the men who have been at this thing called war since you were in elementary school to even before you were born. I guaran damn tee that if you were in my platoon, we would have traded you up to be a TOC ***** a long time ago. Your attitude is poisonous and detracts from the unit, the morale, and fidelity of teamwork. Your NCOs should be ashamed to let you be in your position. The fact is, you are an NCO, and you are still young. You can still turn it around and pull your head outta your ass. Why don't you shut your mouth a little and listen, you might find that you in fact don't know it all. You might find that these "douchebags" in here may be able to provide solid advice which may save you and your soldiers young dumb ass some day.
I would recommend doing some reading on those who have gone before you to get some context as to where your experience matches up. I'd start with "With the old Breed" then "Operation Buffalo: Marine fight for the DMZ", and then finally "House to House"...Should humble you, and you might actually learn something. True combat leaders should be constantly improving themselves and their soldiers...look in the mirror...are you that guy? Or are you the one that antagonizes and alienates...?
42RM
Banned
Combat veteran my ass!
You haven’t seen half the combat as some of these fine people have. Whether you have been deployed or not is completely irrelevant. Just that fact you have taken that choice to put on a uniform and be ready to do what must be done is enough to deserve respect. You're f***ing nothing special because there was someone who choose to shoot in your direction.
Get your S*it together Sergeant and start acting like one before you bring more shame on the U.S. Army NCO corps. You probably don’t care, but after having met your type before down range the attitude of my NCO's is that all and every idiot can become a sergeant in U.S. Army. Actually they don’t call your kind junior NCO´s but premature NCO´s.
It´s been my experience that people who've really been in combat situations; by and large, are humble about their experiences, realizing that it was not some James Bond-type derring-do that got them home, but more often the ultimate sacrifice made by someone else, often a buddy in their outfit.
SigJohnson
Your mum
Really well said!
AZ_Infantry
Active member
I served in a different era than you - 4 years active (2 reserve and 2 IRR following) was the norm. And while E-5 did happen at 3 years, it was rare; I never saw it at either of my duty stations.
However, I was leading a squad as an E-4 after 3 years. That's what those funny little green things are on my epaulets. Just because I didn't wear the stripes doesn't mean that I didn't earn them. I have every right to comment as an NCO as, for all wants and purposes, I was one. And I was a damn good one who EARNED the respect of those in my charge. My profile shows only 4 years -- the AD ones -- because I never filed for my 215. All I have is my DD 214, and I have listed only what is on that because doing otherwise would require me to guess what I'm authorized. I'm not going to deceive anyone about my service, not even unintentionally.
You act like it was my fault my unit didn't deploy. Guess what? I didn't run the Army. I couldn't walk up to division and say, "I demand we go to Iraq, dammit, and you will comply or else!" They weren't going to pack up Ledward Barracks because Specialist H said to.
I respect every soldier. Especially those who have been deployed, as the hardships you all face are those I can never fully understand. But I have earned my due respect, as well. I will call out poor behavior when I see it, because whether you like it or not your attitude reflects on every serving member and on every veteran.
A good leader knows when to listen to advice. When you've got 20 people telling you that your attitude sucks, it's a fair wager that you are the one who is wrong.
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greenlantern11b
Active member
Squad leader(E-6 position) leading a squad as an E-4.... LOL If this is true, congrats to you, but at the same time if they felt you deserved to be an NCO and wear stripes then you would've been promoted. /story
Did you know I was "warned" for stating the facts I did in my last comment. Were you even a Corporal? E-4 is AUTOMATIC after 24months. 18 with a waiver. I received mine at 18 months, before a couple guys who I deployed with that were at the unit longer than me. I've also been promoted to Sergeant before EVERY team leader i've had since being in. Lets make this clear. I outrank people who've been on more deployments than I and at one point were in charge of me.
I've read House to House. My favorite book. You should take things with a grain of salt, Belavia, according to those who were in his unit, fabricated a lot of things in that book to make himself seem godlier than he actually is. And if you actually read the book it's obvious that some of the things are a bit far fetched/exaggerated. So much for combat being humbling... making a book and profitting off of your experience=/=humbling. How a person reacts is dependant on that individual.
"Just that fact you have taken that choice to put on a uniform and be ready to do what must be done is enough to deserve respect."
-This type of thinking is what leads pogs to make BS comments like "We're grunts with dynamite!" "We're grunts with cannons!" "We're grunts with laptops!" These are the same guys who want to be hardcore killers but when the time comes they enlist as MP's, fuelers, truck drivers, water purification specialists(aka "water dogs"), etc. Everyones contribution is NOT equal.
No. My CIB was not blanketed. There were guys(one gunner who stands out specifically) who replaced my plt at a JCC when the company cmdrs hhc plt went to do a KLE. They dismounted without gear(following guidance of higher) and were blown up. It was on CNN. 7 Soldiers, 1 US Civ, and a terp all blown up a few meters away from said gunner. He came back without a CIB.
In the field of 11B combat experience IS the END ALL BE ALL. Combat is the sole purpose of your job. You can go to as many schools you want, but if you cant perform in combat you are useless in the field of infantry.
Seriously, if you don't like what I have to say then don't read it.
I know my job and I obviously do it well enough to be promoted before my peers. The way I seem on here may not be the way I act irl. I know what I can say and to who. The only time i've actually been threatened with NJP is from some fag bag officer who got butt hurt because of what I said to him. And my Supervisor told him that he didn't witness it so if he had a problem take it up with me and the 1sg.
People needa toughen up...
brinktk
Active member
I suppose we are all just idiots and don't know what we're talking about. I suppose you, in fact, are better because you made SGT in under 3. Well let me tell you something...I made SGT in under three too. Actually, I made it at 2 years 3 months. I thought I knew better than everyone else too. But, I wasn't ready. I had more combat experience than most...I had in fact closed with and engaged the enemy in close combat, close enough to smell their breath...but I also did not understand how to develope soldiers. That's the main resposibilty of being an NCO...training soldiers, preparing them for the ***** of combat, and being a professional about it. I too had a chip on my shoulder when I got back. I too had a CIB, earned fighting and killing the bad guys during the invasion of Iraq and then later in Fallujah and Ramadi when they were the worst places in the country. I was wounded too.There is only so much about life that a 20 year old SGT can possibly know about. I know this now, after more time in, more deployments, and more time living life.
You talk about proportional contribution...you've only been in the service and deployed in the last 2 years...You went OUTSIDE the wire every day...so what. There are those before you that never had a wire to cross in the first place. Didn't have internet, MWR, DFAC, CHUs, the securiy of barbed wire and towers, MRAPs, Dukes, Crew, AC, ACOGs, PEQs, or even plates in their body armor, showers, we burned our ****, rationed our water and MREs because we had no idea when re-supply was gonna catch up. We had no TTPs for IEDs and we had virtually NO ISF to help us. No such thing as IP and IA. You actually had to aim through your iron sights.
Let's talk about mail...no immediate communication with family...hell, from the invasion until about 3 months later you rarely got it in a timely manner. It took at the least 3 weeks and at the most a few months to recieve a letter...A LETTER. Can you even imagine what that does to morale...Oh wait...no you can't, or dialing a DSN line for 15 minutes to get a connection to the states then being cut off and having to go because that was your shot for the day. You don't even know what I'm talking about. You have Skype, Burger King, Beds, AC, Water, Ammo, all the gucci gear, with none of the ****. Sand Fleas would plague your body, and dysentary was never far away from the flies incessently crawling all over your body. Hell, my first month in country I had to wear aJLIST...have you ever even worn that thing. Outside of the gas chamber. You're telling us to toughen up. How dare you. What the hell do you know about having it tough, you just got the combat portion, you didn't have to live in Misery for months on end not only fighting the enemy, but the elements, heat, bugs, hunger, sleep monsters, and 24 hours a day schedule with not much thought to a sleep plan. I'm here now and I know the way your tour went because we are basically doing the same thing you guys did I'm sure. Advise, Train, Assist the ISF forces...not a whole lot of closing with the enemy in close combat. Not in MRAPs at least. You have the benefits for war that were hard earned by the experience of others. You have no idea...
You talk about proportional contribution...you've only been in the service and deployed in the last 2 years...You went OUTSIDE the wire every day...so what. There are those before you that never had a wire to cross in the first place. Didn't have internet, MWR, DFAC, CHUs, the securiy of barbed wire and towers, MRAPs, Dukes, Crew, AC, ACOGs, PEQs, or even plates in their body armor, showers, we burned our ****, rationed our water and MREs because we had no idea when re-supply was gonna catch up. We had no TTPs for IEDs and we had virtually NO ISF to help us. No such thing as IP and IA. You actually had to aim through your iron sights.
Let's talk about mail...no immediate communication with family...hell, from the invasion until about 3 months later you rarely got it in a timely manner. It took at the least 3 weeks and at the most a few months to recieve a letter...A LETTER. Can you even imagine what that does to morale...Oh wait...no you can't, or dialing a DSN line for 15 minutes to get a connection to the states then being cut off and having to go because that was your shot for the day. You don't even know what I'm talking about. You have Skype, Burger King, Beds, AC, Water, Ammo, all the gucci gear, with none of the ****. Sand Fleas would plague your body, and dysentary was never far away from the flies incessently crawling all over your body. Hell, my first month in country I had to wear aJLIST...have you ever even worn that thing. Outside of the gas chamber. You're telling us to toughen up. How dare you. What the hell do you know about having it tough, you just got the combat portion, you didn't have to live in Misery for months on end not only fighting the enemy, but the elements, heat, bugs, hunger, sleep monsters, and 24 hours a day schedule with not much thought to a sleep plan. I'm here now and I know the way your tour went because we are basically doing the same thing you guys did I'm sure. Advise, Train, Assist the ISF forces...not a whole lot of closing with the enemy in close combat. Not in MRAPs at least. You have the benefits for war that were hard earned by the experience of others. You have no idea...
42RM
Banned
In the greater scheme of things, everyone is of equal importance, since everyone’s contribution is essential towards achieving the greater common goal.
Infantry doctrine is based on hard-fought lessons from generations of combat Infantry Soldiers engaged in numerous conflicts long before you were born. Doctrine is always evolving and adapting, yet its fundamental principles are as true today as they were generations ago. So how come you denigrate the service of others. Why won’t you learn from those who have been there before?
I’ll tell you why!
Narcissism. Hiding behind the need to let the world know exactly how smart, how funny, how interesting or how great you are, is the need to convince yourselves of your own value.
You are the type who just knows more than us, is smarter than us, more enlightened than us, more important than us, etc in every way, shape and form. And if we disagree with your divinely blessed opinion, we are just ignorant. This is really how your mind works. People like you will never back down. Trying to get you to admit you are wrong is like trying to teach a pig to sing - it wastes my time, and annoys the pig. I know I should be the bigger person and let it go, but how can you not open your mouth against such a stupid person?
“I am proud of the Corps of Noncommissioned Officers and will at all times conduct myself so as to bring credit upon the Corps, the Military Service and my country regardless of the situation in which I find myself.”
Do you think you live up to the NCO creed?
I've also seen combat. But I don´t consider myself a combat veteran. I still have much to learn. My Troop Sergeant has 12 years of experience and seen far more combat than I hopefully will. When we sit and evaluate the things we have been through, be it combat or exercises, then I listen.
"Experience is a brutal teacher, but you learn. My God, do you learn."
AZ_Infantry
Active member
Greenlantern,
You're still thinking of our armies as the same. I served from 1989 to 1993. A squad leader for a dismounted Infantry squad was typically an E-5, while our E-6's were BC's (Bradley Commanders). We separated mounted and dismounted. And while did share training schedules sometimes, most often we kept that separation and we squad leaders (yes, even us acting ones) conducted small unit tactics, weapons maintenance, etc. We didn't make the training schedule, mind you, but we conducted our own classes with the PSG roaming around and checking up on how we were doing.
I was slotted for PLDC, got a 98 on the board, but again: my unit did not deploy. Guys with CIB's at Ft. Riley got the front of the line, generally, which made slots difficult to come by. That didn't make them better leaders than me, merely soldiers of the same TOS/TIG that had more points than I did. I ETS'd before I ever got to attend PLDC, and my Reserve unit had almost no slots as I was in my SMOS, 88M, because Phoenix (AZ) didn't eve have an Infantry unit back then.
We had very, very few Corporals, and not a single one I can remember from my unit at the First, 2/16 Inf, in the entire battalion. Most Specialists went to the board, then to PLDC, then went right to E-5. E-4 was not an automatic promotion at any time.
It sounds like your NCOs see an excellent leader in you, and I congratulate you on that. It was your attitude here I was addressing - I never meant to question your ability to lead a squad effectively in a combat environment, as I have no basis of reference in which to even compare. I am not a combat veteran, so I don't know the rigors of what you do day in and day out. However, I can talk to you like a man, because we are men, and there is more to being a man than what you pin on your uniform.
Has it occurred to you that perhaps we admonish you as we do because we care about you being an even better leader?
EDIT: I have no idea why you were "warned" for your comments, but as a regular member of the board and not a moderator that isn't something I am privy to. For what it is worth, I never reported you for anything and found nothing wrong with your comments. I can handle a few condescending words without running to a moderator to hold my hand. Just thought you deserved to know that I had nothing to do with it.
You're still thinking of our armies as the same. I served from 1989 to 1993. A squad leader for a dismounted Infantry squad was typically an E-5, while our E-6's were BC's (Bradley Commanders). We separated mounted and dismounted. And while did share training schedules sometimes, most often we kept that separation and we squad leaders (yes, even us acting ones) conducted small unit tactics, weapons maintenance, etc. We didn't make the training schedule, mind you, but we conducted our own classes with the PSG roaming around and checking up on how we were doing.
I was slotted for PLDC, got a 98 on the board, but again: my unit did not deploy. Guys with CIB's at Ft. Riley got the front of the line, generally, which made slots difficult to come by. That didn't make them better leaders than me, merely soldiers of the same TOS/TIG that had more points than I did. I ETS'd before I ever got to attend PLDC, and my Reserve unit had almost no slots as I was in my SMOS, 88M, because Phoenix (AZ) didn't eve have an Infantry unit back then.
We had very, very few Corporals, and not a single one I can remember from my unit at the First, 2/16 Inf, in the entire battalion. Most Specialists went to the board, then to PLDC, then went right to E-5. E-4 was not an automatic promotion at any time.
It sounds like your NCOs see an excellent leader in you, and I congratulate you on that. It was your attitude here I was addressing - I never meant to question your ability to lead a squad effectively in a combat environment, as I have no basis of reference in which to even compare. I am not a combat veteran, so I don't know the rigors of what you do day in and day out. However, I can talk to you like a man, because we are men, and there is more to being a man than what you pin on your uniform.
Has it occurred to you that perhaps we admonish you as we do because we care about you being an even better leader?
EDIT: I have no idea why you were "warned" for your comments, but as a regular member of the board and not a moderator that isn't something I am privy to. For what it is worth, I never reported you for anything and found nothing wrong with your comments. I can handle a few condescending words without running to a moderator to hold my hand. Just thought you deserved to know that I had nothing to do with it.
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KJ
Active member
Once this dude does something special I bet he´ll be tugging on the leash to get out and write a book about it.
His personality displays a clear "look at me I´m a badass" type attitude.
Good thing you may keep him down chasing badges for a while.
He might even grow into his skin before getting kicked out..Like one of them german shepherd pups..
KJ sends..
His personality displays a clear "look at me I´m a badass" type attitude.
Good thing you may keep him down chasing badges for a while.
He might even grow into his skin before getting kicked out..Like one of them german shepherd pups..
KJ sends..
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bulldogg
Milforum's Bouncer
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greenlantern11b
Active member
Yup im a badge/tab chaser 
It makes my uniform prettieri gotsa confessions guise... I B Trollin yall... and yall be bitting
shits funny to me lmao ill be back in a couple weeks got **** to do!
It makes my uniform prettieri gotsa confessions guise... I B Trollin yall... and yall be bitting
shits funny to me lmao ill be back in a couple weeks got **** to do!
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