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Boots
 
March 3rd, 2005  
Corocotta
 
 
Who sais that a Republic is not a democratic sistem???
Do you think that France is a dictatorship??
US is a democracy and a will tell you why:

- You have a parlament wich represent the US citizens and they make laws representing their people

-you have a independat judicial sistem

- you have civil rigths

-Human rights are respected in US ( well there are few exceptions: dead penalty. guantanamo...)

- Freedom of expresion


I could be hours writting, but you can be sure of something, YOU live in a democracy
March 3rd, 2005  
A Can of Man
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by staurofilakes
You are right, I shoul not have said that US supported the taliban, BUT they supported the fighters that after expulsing the soviets from afganistan become into the Taliban´s
If this surprises you then I think you're very new to the world. Friends yesterday are enemies today and enemies yesterday are friends today etc. etc. so on and so forth. It happens all the time.
This is why it is your friends that you must be careful about because they will become the most deadliest of enemies when they turn because they understand how you work.
March 3rd, 2005  
Guaripa
 
The US is not a Democracy, as a fact if you read all of the federal papers and the constituion the word Democracy is never used.
The US will never be able to implant their flavor of Democracy, as President Said, "We have nofriends only interest"

Because Democracy is a way to a government system, not an actual system.

CAFE !

QUOTE

The USA and the US Government destroyed every single copy they could find. Why ??

It was part of military training until then ! Its also good for those confused about Democracy and Republics, I have only seen one original copy, I think it would be an intersting item to have for display.


Many of you have seen the reprint of this document. If you have, it's worth reading again. If you have not, it is worth reading, studying, and reciting to your friends, family, and neighbors. It is copied from Training Manual No. 2000-25 that was published by the then War Department, Washington, D.C., November 30, 1928.

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Official Definition of DEMOCRACY

NOTE

Here are four (4) facsimile section reproductions taken from a 156 page book officially compiled and issued by the U.S. War Department, November 30,1928, setting forth exact and truthful definitions of a Democracy and of a Republic, explaining the difference between both. These definitions were published by the authority of the United States Government and must be accepted as authentic in any court of proper jurisdiction. These precise and scholarly definitions of a Democracy and a Republic were carefully considered as a proper guide for U.S. soldiers and U.S. citizens by the Chief of Staff of the United States Army. Such definition stake precedence over any "definition" that may be found in the present commercial dictionaries which have suffered periodical "modification" to please "the powers in office. Shortly after the "bank holiday" in the thirties, hush-hush orders from the White House suddenly demanded that all copies of this book be withdrawn from the Government Printing Office and the Army posts, to be suppressed and destroyed without explanation. This was the beginning of the complete red control of the Government from within, not from without.



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Prepared under the direction of the Chief of Staff.


CITIZENSHIP

This manual supersedes Manual of Citizenship Training The use of the publication "The Constitution of the United States," by Harry Atwood, is by permission and courtesy of the author.

CITIZENSHIP Democracy:

A government of the masses. Authority derived through mass meeting or any other form of "direct" expression. Results in mobocracy. Attitude toward property is communistic--negating property rights. Attitude toward law is that the will of the majority shall regulate, whether is be based upon deliberation or governed by passion, prejudice, and impulse, without restraint or regard to consequences. Results in demogogism, license, agitation, discontent, anarchy

CITIZENSHIP Republic:

Authority is derived through the election by the people of public officials best fitted to represent them. Attitude toward law is the administration of justice in accord with fixed principles and established evidence, with a strict regard to consequences. A greater number of citizens and extent of territory may be brought within its compass. Avoids the dangerous extreme of either tyranny or mobocracy. Results in statesmanship, liberty, reason, justice, contentment, and progress. Is the "standard form" of government throughout the world. A republic is a form of government under a constitution which provides for the election of

(1) an executive and (2) a legislative body, who working together in a representative capacity, have all the power of appointment, all power of legislation, all power to raise revenue and appropriate expenditures, and are required to create (3) a judiciary to pass upon the justice and legality of their government acts and to recognize (4) certain inherent individual rights.

Take away any one or more of those four elements and you are drifting into autocracy. Add one or more to those four elements and you are drifting into democracy.

Atwood. Superior to all others.--Autocracy declares the divine right of kings; its authority can not be questioned; its powers are arbitrarily or unjustly administered. Democracy is the "direct" rule of the people and has been repeatedly tried without success. Our Constitutional fathers, familiar with the strength and weakness of both autocracy and democracy, with fixed principles definitely in mind, defined a representative republican form of government. They "made a very marked distinction between a republic and a democracy * * * and said repeatedly and emphatically that they had founded a republic."



"By order of the Secretary of War: C.P. Summerall, Major General, Chief of Staff. Official: Lutz Wahl, Major General, The Adjutant General.
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Boots
March 3rd, 2005  
Redneck
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by staurofilakes
Who sais that a Republic is not a democratic sistem???
Do you think that France is a dictatorship??
US is a democracy and a will tell you why:

- You have a parlament wich represent the US citizens and they make laws representing their people

-you have a independat judicial sistem

- you have civil rigths

-Human rights are respected in US ( well there are few exceptions: dead penalty. guantanamo...)

- Freedom of expresion


I could be hours writting, but you can be sure of something, YOU live in a democracy

YOU might want to hit those textbooks before exams come around, bud, I'm getting a little worried about your passing.
March 3rd, 2005  
A Can of Man
 
 
Strauo, actually you can argue there are no democracies in the world. And you can also argue there were no Communist countries during the Cold War.
March 3rd, 2005  
Missileer
 
 
Staurofilakes, does your opinion of the United States of America have anything to do with the criticism of Spain for pulling their troops out of Iraq when public opinion of the Iraqui War soured in Spain? If so, forget it. It was an unfortunate decision but to Prime Minister Aznar, the only one he had at the moment because of political turmoil. The soldiers had no say in what their Government decided.
March 3rd, 2005  
Knightraptor
 
Whether the USA is a democracy or not it basically up to the individual. It certainly is democratic when compared to other forms of government. But its what your personal definition of a democracy is. If you wish to get technical then we are a republic, like some have said, and not a democracy, but if you just mean that people are free-er(?) to determine their own future and have some influence over the certain functions not only on a national level but also on a local level (IE. local bans, restrictions, city propositions) then yes we are a democracy. Its all in who you personally define democracy.
March 3rd, 2005  
Corocotta
 
 
Okey, so you are telling me that US is not a democracy?? I could agree with you that is a democracy with many problems,BUT a democracy is not a question of words, it is a question of acts. The fact that the word democracy is not printed in your 1786´s Constitucion doesn´t mean anything. Democracy is a greek word wich means the goverment of the people. Why do you vote then??
Do you think people can vote in dictatorships?
Do you think people is allowed to express their opinions in dictatorships? Do you think people have liberty of movement in dictatorships?
Do you think people have the right to a fare judgment in a dictator ship?
Do you think people have the right to social walfare in dictatorships??

May be the ones that should read some books concerning the concept of democracy is YOU.

Redneck, I pass that lesson many years ago, in Spain we learn that very young, we do not have to go to University to know what a democracy is, may be because we had a 36 years dictator ship. May be is what you need to understand what is a democracy!!
March 3rd, 2005  
Charge 7
 
 
Those who say not a democracy aren't wrong. Neither are those who say it is. Sounds wishy-washy I know but it is really a matter of perspective. In the truest sense we are a republic. It's well understood by political scientists (and I have my bachelers in poli sci from Syracuse) that democracy in it's strictest form can't exist in a country much bigger than say, Switzerland. Nothing could be done fast enough to accomplish anything. Our republic, however, has democracy at its central core. The people directly elect their representatives in Congress and they directly elect their local governments. There is also the Electoral College when it comes to the Presidency that differs and the Judiciary which are appointed. Where it most significantly differs from a strict democracy is that these representatives are empowered to act as they themselves determine and they can and do act from time to time against what the majority of their voters wish at that moment. They have determined that they are acting for the greater good and with better knowledge of the subject. How this is still a measure of democracy is that if the people later feel that these representatives have not done the best thing they can be defeated in the next election and removed from office.
March 3rd, 2005  
Knightraptor
 
A Democratic Nation and a"True" Direct Democracy are 2 different things, but often people use the word "Democracy" for both and therein lies the confusion, just depends if you are the specific type or the general type.