UK vs. Israel - Total War
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Please can i just interrupt a second. The views posted here are largely Israeli/US views of the British military. I can assure you all that obviously is Isarel were the aggressors, we would win. If we were the aggressors, we would win. I know that is an unhelpfully blunt viewpoint but it is the only correct one. Just looking through the posts on this thread, there is a lot of bull and random speculation, e.g. "Israels attack helicopoters doing lots of damage etc." We have 16 Air Assault regiment for that (with better helis as well).
This scenario can only be looked at from a realistic POV but if it were to happen then, the UK would use allied arab nations to attack from, possibly the US depending upon the politics of it.
This scenario can only be looked at from a realistic POV but if it were to happen then, the UK would use allied arab nations to attack from, possibly the US depending upon the politics of it.
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Ok. Obvcours, as I said Israel cant be the agressor, since we have no landing capability(sure we could drop our paratroopers in london, but the brits would kill them all, not to speak of the RAF killing the transports on the way). Now, Ben, As to what you said- well as i am bias to the Israeli side you are to the british. Firstly, I dont think that you would want to use an Arab ally. They would do more damamge then good...Now, the british have(as I know, feel free to correct.) about 70(?) AH64 Longbow helies, and several dosen other attack helies(mostly SA341 and lynks). Israel has also a few dosen AH64s, that are being upgraded to Longbow as we speak. We also have a whole bunch of cobras. So, your Helies arnt much better. There are more of them, but the SA341 and the Lynks are not good helies at all(no offence). Now If you did use an Arab ally insted of a seaborn invasion, who would supply air supiriority? If your thinking about the Arabs(as in Syria, no other Arab nation is gonna do this for you right now), your screwd. The last time the IAF met the Syrians in the air it ended with about 100 syrian planes hitting the ground. If you intend on the RAF bringing its jets here, well that sounds better. Ok, so the RAf will bring every thin it needs here. But, Im acctually sure the RAF is smaller then the IAF(in fighter squadrons). And, i know we fly better planes. So, it's not that simple, is it?.
Ok. Obvcours, as I said Israel cant be the agressor, since we have no landing capability(sure we could drop our paratroopers in london, but the brits would kill them all, not to speak of the RAF killing the transports on the way). Now, Ben, As to what you said- well as i am bias to the Israeli side you are to the british. Firstly, I dont think that you would want to use an Arab ally. They would do more damamge then good...Now, the british have(as I know, feel free to correct.) about 70(?) AH64 Longbow helies, and several dosen other attack helies(mostly SA341 and lynks). Israel has also a few dosen AH64s, that are being upgraded to Longbow as we speak. We also have a whole bunch of cobras. So, your Helies arnt much better. There are more of them, but the SA341 and the Lynks are not good helies at all(no offence). Now If you did use an Arab ally insted of a seaborn invasion, who would supply air supiriority? If your thinking about the Arabs(as in Syria, no other Arab nation is gonna do this for you right now), your screwd. The last time the IAF met the Syrians in the air it ended with about 100 syrian planes hitting the ground. If you intend on the RAF bringing its jets here, well that sounds better. Ok, so the RAf will bring every thin it needs here. But, Im acctually sure the RAF is smaller then the IAF(in fighter squadrons). And, i know we fly better planes. So, it's not that simple, is it?.
when using the arab nations, it never means using their troops, simply using their country's from which to mount land invasions from and from which to move our RAF to operate from. This is simply what i meant, as for the heli issue, the brits mainly use them in a ground support role and not alone. The planes, ours are good to excellent as are the pilots, and as we speak two new aircraft carriers are being produced for the navy and the implementation of the Typhoon aircraft (i hate "eurofighter") as well as the JSF aircraft mean that technologically and tacticaly the airforce will be able to take superiority.
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Well, as to the Typhoon, I dont see how its much better then the new F16I, or F15I, as the Typhoon is not really new(being "soon to be deployed" for almost a decade now....). The JSF is not even nearing entrance in the USAF yes, so how can you include it in a curent conflict?
The RAF (again correct me if im wrong here) has minly Tornados and Jaguars, with the Typhoon reaching operational capabilities 2006/2007. I dont consider the Harrier a match to a real fighter(Probably even the F4-2000 is supirior.) Personally, i think both the Jaguar and the Tornado are not as good as the F16 and F15. Now, this could go on forever, as both sides hav a good, well armed and well trained force, so it could go either way.My money is still on the IDF. As i said, your navy is the only thing im worried about...
Well, as to the Typhoon, I dont see how its much better then the new F16I, or F15I, as the Typhoon is not really new(being "soon to be deployed" for almost a decade now....). The JSF is not even nearing entrance in the USAF yes, so how can you include it in a curent conflict?
The RAF (again correct me if im wrong here) has minly Tornados and Jaguars, with the Typhoon reaching operational capabilities 2006/2007. I dont consider the Harrier a match to a real fighter(Probably even the F4-2000 is supirior.) Personally, i think both the Jaguar and the Tornado are not as good as the F16 and F15. Now, this could go on forever, as both sides hav a good, well armed and well trained force, so it could go either way.My money is still on the IDF. As i said, your navy is the only thing im worried about...
The jaguar squadrons are being abolished to make way for the typhoon and JSF. As for the harriers, they are an excellent bit of kit that matches most fighters and ob. has the hovering capability. The RAF i'll agree is slightly outdated, but when the new fighters are brought in then it will put pretty much everyone else to shame. As for the typhoon itself, it is an excellent fighter, one of the if not the most technologically advanced planes in the world. But anyway i digress, i see the conflict more of a missle and bomb based affair to reduce casualties. Simple the navy and our subs would fire cruise etc. blast all the israeli infrastructure to impede and confuse israeli forces as well as destroying them. It would likely end up in a tactical nuclear strike on certain targets. All in all the amount of land fighting would probably end up being comparable with iraq with the exception that the palestinians would probably end up helping
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I guss we just cant make terms can we Ben....
Well, I doubt the Land fighting would be as easy as iraq seeing the IDF is a modern army. I still think the Air will be ours, pretty much stopping a british win. Guss we will never know...Oh, and the palestinians would fight you the same as they fight us...Your just another bunch of forieghners on their land....
I guss we just cant make terms can we Ben....
Well, I doubt the Land fighting would be as easy as iraq seeing the IDF is a modern army. I still think the Air will be ours, pretty much stopping a british win. Guss we will never know...Oh, and the palestinians would fight you the same as they fight us...Your just another bunch of forieghners on their land....
Animal Mother
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Royal Navy would mine and blokade Israeli ports.
RAF Tornado's, flying out of either Malta or Gibraltar with their Storm Shadow's and RN SSN's with their Tomahawks strike important goverment and military strucktures.
If its a total war, the Brits would most likely not even need to invade, just blokade and harass with crusie missiles. They would most likely give covert help to the Palestinians as well, getting them to make alot of trouble and disturbance, especially if they do plan to invade.
RAF Tornado's, flying out of either Malta or Gibraltar with their Storm Shadow's and RN SSN's with their Tomahawks strike important goverment and military strucktures.
If its a total war, the Brits would most likely not even need to invade, just blokade and harass with crusie missiles. They would most likely give covert help to the Palestinians as well, getting them to make alot of trouble and disturbance, especially if they do plan to invade.
Animal Mother
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Re: OK.
Against E-3 Sentry AWACS platforms? The RAF would see you coming far out and have plenty of time to vector in interceptors.
sherman105 said:Ok, F15Is would take out those airbases if needed....
Against E-3 Sentry AWACS platforms? The RAF would see you coming far out and have plenty of time to vector in interceptors.
Animal Mother
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Flying heavily laden with bombs at what would be at least for the F-16's, the edge of their range? We are talking Malta here, or even more realisticly, Gibraltar.
Who said the Tornados would aproach from the front? Using cues from the E-3's they would simply vector in from a different angle, speed up, iluminate, fire AIM-120's and disengage. If they dont shoot them down, they will at the very least force them to ditch their bombload.
sherman105 said:
Flying heavily laden with bombs at what would be at least for the F-16's, the edge of their range? We are talking Malta here, or even more realisticly, Gibraltar.
Who said the Tornados would aproach from the front? Using cues from the E-3's they would simply vector in from a different angle, speed up, iluminate, fire AIM-120's and disengage. If they dont shoot them down, they will at the very least force them to ditch their bombload.
TacticalEdge
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i an beach landing by the Royal Marines the far better Merkava would fare much better than the british tanks... also the IDF has more experience in combat situations due to the arab problems they are currently faceing. While Britian does have the better navy(by far) the Israelies have a much better airforce. Overall the deciding factor is who the we(US) would side with which depends on how the war came to be......... but if the US decided to stay out of it then the IDF would win any military engagments on thier homeland
TacticalEdge said:
I dont understand what you mean by the first line there, but as for our tanks, I believe we have the best MBT in the world, and would like to see some evidence suggesting otherwise. As for combat experience for the IDF, how about a the little things like the falklands, northern ireland, gulf wars 1 and 2, seirra leone, the balkans etc. And it is not necessarily the experience, it is the training and quality of the soldiers which is something fairly basic that you should understand. :roll:
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