U.S. under scrutiny for Paris rally - Page 2




 
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Boots
 
March 17th, 2015  
Yossarian
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mmarsh
I'd point out that the day after 9-11 (September 12, 2011) the very first head of state to visit ground zero was JACQUES CHIRAC, then President of France. Chirac visited Ground zero when Bush and Cheney were still hiding in their undisclosed rabbit holes, that was their commitment to us.

Meanwhile, Paris gets hit and all we can come with is our bench warming team. I don't think anyone in France minded too much that Obama didn't come but as a New Yorker who knew people lost on 9-11 this was embarrassing, and the White House should have known better. Its precisely the type of nasty snub I would expected from the neocon cabal, not the Democrats, although I think the reason was incompetence not nastiness in this particular instance.

Obama was more criticized for this in the US Press than the French Press.
Agreed, this sign of obvious support by our head of state would have shown our backing with France in the GWOT. And reassure our other partners.
March 21st, 2015  
lljadw
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mmarsh
Chirac visited Ground zero when Bush and Cheney were still hiding in their undisclosed rabbit holes, that was their commitment to us.

"undisclosed rabbit holes" : I object very strongly to these terms : Bush and Cheney followed the rules for the eventuality of a possible nucleair attack on the US .
March 21st, 2015  
JOC
 
 

Quote:
Originally Posted by Yossarian
Agreed, this sign of obvious support by our head of state would have shown our backing with France in the GWOT. And reassure our other partners.
With friends like France who needs enemy's. Although I do give them credit for gunning down the terrorist recently. Besides I've been to Paris and was glad to be back.
I found the folks in Germany and Italy much more agreeable.
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March 21st, 2015  
MontyB
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by JOC
With friends like France who needs enemy's. Although I do give them credit for gunning down the terrorist recently. Besides I've been to Paris and was glad to be back.
I found the folks in Germany and Italy much more agreeable.
Really most of the world says the same thing about America, I think it is time to realise that nations have no friends just agendas sometimes they align but most often they dont.
March 21st, 2015  
JOC
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by MontyB
Really most of the world says the same thing about America, I think it is time to realise that nations have no friends just agendas sometimes they align but most often they dont.
Perhaps you should serve a few years to gain some experence
March 21st, 2015  
MontyB
 
 
Perhaps you should understand that experience in uniform doesn't make you an expert on life or politics.

If you want to try firing shots you should know that I do fire back.

Quote:
Originally Posted by mmarsh
I'd point out that the day after 9-11 (September 12, 2011) the very first head of state to visit ground zero was JACQUES CHIRAC, then President of France. Chirac visited Ground zero when Bush and Cheney were still hiding in their undisclosed rabbit holes, that was their commitment to us.

Meanwhile, Paris gets hit and all we can come with is our bench warming team. I don't think anyone in France minded too much that Obama didn't come but as a New Yorker who knew people lost on 9-11 this was embarrassing, and the White House should have known better. Its precisely the type of nasty snub I would expected from the neocon cabal, not the Democrats, although I think the reason was incompetence not nastiness in this particular instance.

Obama was more criticized for this in the US Press than the French Press.
I am not sure we can really compare these incidents for example did the French president show up for say the Sandy Hook memorial which was a far more similar event.
March 21st, 2015  
Yossarian
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by JOC
With friends like France who needs enemy's. Although I do give them credit for gunning down the terrorist recently. Besides I've been to Paris and was glad to be back.
I found the folks in Germany and Italy much more agreeable.

True, France likes selling military hardware to Russia these days...

But we sold war planes that sank two of our Allied British partners ships in the Falklands..

Nature of the game I suppose.
March 21st, 2015  
JOC
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by MontyB
Really most of the world says the same thing about America, I think it is time to realise that nations have no friends just agendas sometimes they align but most often they dont.
You spew out anti American rhetoric. If it weren’t for the hundreds of thousands of allied lives lost in liberating France it would likely still be a German colony today.

The US feeds more hungry people world wide, provides more disaster relief, allows in more immigrants than any other nation. We also provide the lion’s share of the funding for the UN. We are by no means the only provider but we do a lot for a lot of people.

Quote:
Originally Posted by MontyB
Perhaps you should understand that experience in uniform doesn't make you an expert on life or politics.
Time spent in uniform will do one a world of good in understanding life as it relates to the military.
March 21st, 2015  
Yossarian
 
 
France is a quagmire in that respect, gratitude I am sure was felt for a period but after an attempted military coup after a presidency with no term limits in the post war period, giving respect may have been seen as an embarrassment to being occupied in the first place.

I don't really know the French mentality, however if they were truly sacrilegious about it I am sure that would have worn off decades ago by now.

Hard to say , maybe a French Citizen here could enlighten us?
March 21st, 2015  
MontyB
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by JOC
You spew out anti American rhetoric. If it werenít for the hundreds of thousands of allied lives lost in liberating France it would likely still be a German colony today.

The US feeds more hungry people world wide, provides more disaster relief, allows in more immigrants than any other nation. We also provide the lionís share of the funding for the UN. We are by no means the only provider but we do a lot for a lot of people.
The US meddles in world affairs, over throws democratically elected governments that do not support its ideologies and has declared war on more of its allies than it has its enemies so spare me the crap.

I have spent roughly eleven years on my life in the USA and even married an American there is very little you can not tell me about the place that I have not experienced for myself and for the record I like Americans one of the friendliest bunches anywhere in the world but your government is rotten to the core and what they do they do in your name so don't be surprised that you arent the popular one in the group.

As for the French they are rude, arrogant and I still don't like the fact that we let their spies go we should have shot them but they have great food, great wine, an awesome history and a nice country (but you can keep Paris) and if not for the French America would be an English colony see I can play guess alternate history as well.

As for France being a German colony I suspect it would be a Russian one by now.
 


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