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U.S. Not Winning War In Iraq, Bush Says For 1st Time
 
December 25th, 2006  
Gator
 
 
U.S. Not Winning War In Iraq, Bush Says For 1st Time
Iraq is in a Civil War, so how can we win? If we help one side do in the other we will always have the one side we fought against as enemy, if we split the country up we will have the faction against splitting the country up against us.
And then there's the fact that when not killing each other Iraqis of the different sects still like killing Americans.

Roads and Schools being built does not offer a benchmark of success in Iraq on the Military end of things, new roads and schools are Political things.
After all, Hitler built a lot of roads in Germany, in the end they were not safe to be on anyway. In Iraq if one is too afraid to travel down a road it matters not how new the road is, if a child is too afraid to go to school it matters not how new the school is.

Right now, the Kurds seem to have made out the best, but our NATO Ally Turkey is not very happy about the Kurds having an independent state of Kurdistan. As a matter of fact, Turkey has threatened to invade if the Kurds declare independence, do we then, to protect the new roads and schools, go to war against our NATO Ally?

Some say War starts when the Political means to rectify a problem can no longer be attained, and the Military forces a conclusion.
Conversely, Peace starts when the Military stops and the Politicians take over again. unless of course no quarter is to be given, but quarter has already been offered in Iraq.

In the absence of peace does there have to be War? I'd say the answer is no, as we are not at peace with North Korea, but we have not been in open warfare with North Korea for quite some time.

In short Iraq is a mess, and we may end up leaving Iraq to let the Iraqis sort things out on their own.
December 26th, 2006  
Yossarian
 
 
The Middle East is possibly going into a full religous war. Its the Shia and Sunnie populations that seem to want to go at each other.

If thats true, then, they will fight as hard, and long as they can. Which, unfortunatly, will be a long conflict, one that could span hundereds of years.
December 29th, 2006  
FO Seaman
 
 
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Originally Posted by Sukio
The Middle East is possibly going into a full religous war. Its the Shia and Sunnie populations that seem to want to go at each other.

If thats true, then, they will fight as hard, and long as they can. Which, unfortunatly, will be a long conflict, one that could span hundereds of years.

And thats where your wrong. Iraq is not ingulfed in religious war, thats a bunch of bull that some Wall Street jounalist came out with.........it's about the power, who's running the goverment.........they all believe the samething, so how is it possible that it's a "religous war".

The Shitte's want power because they had it to begin with, and the Sunni's want control because they've felt the oppression of the Shitte's and Saddam, and the Kurds could really care less about whats happening they just want to be left alone.

Remember the Sunni's rule the upper area's of Iraq and Shitte's lower section. It's more or less the Shitte's taking pot shot's at the Sunni's to tell them who's boss, and the Sunni's do nothing for fear of the Shitte's bringing Iran (A predominatly Shitte country) in on the fight. So the Sunni's are stuck in between a hard place and a rock. We're pushing them and propping them up, and the Shitte's are killing them off.

Whoever controls the country, controls the oil, and whoever controls the oil has the Westerner's on a leash and other "countries" (Iran, China, Pakistan, ect...) as their best friends, all wanting to take a piece of America.
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U.S. Not Winning War In Iraq, Bush Says For 1st Time
December 29th, 2006  
Gator
 
 
Catholics have been known to fight Protestants in the past, it is a sect thing.

Same with Iraq.
It'd be different if you had the members of the different sects on one side, and the members of the different sects on the other side, and those 2 sides were fighting to see who would take over.
 


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