Two more fall out
MontyB
All-Blacks Supporter
Well if I had to pick one I think it would be McCain but I have to be honest and say that I really don't care who wins much like our own elections later in the year you are basically picking the best BS artist aka Politician.
Infern0
Banned
sorry i have to disagree here;
9/11 happened to all of us, when those planes hit we were ALL americans
the attack, and the events following it had a global effect
i think as long as we are sensitive and thoughful with our comments there is no reason why non-americans cant comment on it, especially when it relates to the US elections that will obviously have a huge global impact.
Team Infidel
Forum Spin Doctor
oh this is going to be a looooooooong election season around here....
Infern0
Banned
one issue, one crisis does not mean that you would make a good president, from the (admittedly few) chat sessions/debates i saw with guliani, every answer he gave tried to link back to his actions during 9/11....no matter how tenuous the connection
he was trying to ride the coat tails of a despicable tragedy all the way to the white house, and IMHO i found it reprehensible.
his campaign ads really brought it home for me.
i dont think i was being insensitive, and i dont see why you would have to be a US citizen to voice an opinion on something that affects us all
Damien435
Active member
I wanted McCain to run in 2004, of course I am going to support him in 2008. Most people attack him for not voting down party lines, for being too liberal for the conservatives of the GOP but too conservative for the liberals of the DNC. The guy makes his decision based on what he thinks is right, not on what his party's platform says he should be. People whine about how polarizing politics are today and complain that all we ever get to choose from are Socialists on the left and Anarchists on the right. Well now we have a legitimate moderate in the lead and I won't be sorry to see him win. In 2000 and 2004 the task wasn't to choose the better candidate, it was to pick your poison. Possibly more so in 2000 than 2004, if that's possible.
I kind of hope Clinton does get the Dems nomination, she might have a larger number of supporters than Obama right now, but there are a hell of a lot more people out there shouting "Anybody but Hillary!" than there are shouting "Anybody but Obama/McCain/Huckabee/Romney!" combined but the people shouting "God look after us if Ron Paul wins!" trump all of those groups. Even Bush thinks Paul is some right-wing nut job, it might be a case of the pot calling the kettle black, but just imagine that visual for a second.
Plus any candidate that earns the scorn of Ann Coulter is going to move up a notch in my book. To throw fuel on the fire, I work at Wal-Mart and I just can't see myself voting for someone who used to be on Wal-Mart's board of directors or whatever Hillary's position was because I know how stupid many of our policies are.
Anybody else think that Romney and Guiliani pretty much destroyed each other in the early rounds of the debates? I watched those early ones, Guiliani and Romney basically ignored everyone else on that stage and starting throwing mud laced with arsenic at one another. "You ran a sanctuary city." "You had illegals cleaning your house." "You made the NYPD walk your mistress' dogs." "You just flip-flopped on ever moral issue six months ago." And then suddenly McCain and Huckabee were 1 and 2 in the GOP with Thompson polling in third wile Romney and Guiliani were asking themselves "Where did I go wrong?"
As for (no offense meant with this word) foreigners weighing in on our elections I have this to say: We pretty much screwed every democracy established between 1950 and 1990 so we probably shouldn't complain about voicing opinions when we may or may not have had non-US friendly candidates killed. Keep it civil and I won't care too much. If you support Ron Paul and I will probably assume you are a Jihadist and only want Paul to win because you know that in a world where America returns to an isolationist policy there are no outside forces to stop you from establishing your little "We hate everyone else" Muslim Empire. Please note I am saying Jihadists think this way, not all Muslims, not by a long shot.
I kind of hope Clinton does get the Dems nomination, she might have a larger number of supporters than Obama right now, but there are a hell of a lot more people out there shouting "Anybody but Hillary!" than there are shouting "Anybody but Obama/McCain/Huckabee/Romney!" combined but the people shouting "God look after us if Ron Paul wins!" trump all of those groups. Even Bush thinks Paul is some right-wing nut job, it might be a case of the pot calling the kettle black, but just imagine that visual for a second.
Plus any candidate that earns the scorn of Ann Coulter is going to move up a notch in my book. To throw fuel on the fire, I work at Wal-Mart and I just can't see myself voting for someone who used to be on Wal-Mart's board of directors or whatever Hillary's position was because I know how stupid many of our policies are.
Anybody else think that Romney and Guiliani pretty much destroyed each other in the early rounds of the debates? I watched those early ones, Guiliani and Romney basically ignored everyone else on that stage and starting throwing mud laced with arsenic at one another. "You ran a sanctuary city." "You had illegals cleaning your house." "You made the NYPD walk your mistress' dogs." "You just flip-flopped on ever moral issue six months ago." And then suddenly McCain and Huckabee were 1 and 2 in the GOP with Thompson polling in third wile Romney and Guiliani were asking themselves "Where did I go wrong?"
As for (no offense meant with this word) foreigners weighing in on our elections I have this to say: We pretty much screwed every democracy established between 1950 and 1990 so we probably shouldn't complain about voicing opinions when we may or may not have had non-US friendly candidates killed. Keep it civil and I won't care too much. If you support Ron Paul and I will probably assume you are a Jihadist and only want Paul to win because you know that in a world where America returns to an isolationist policy there are no outside forces to stop you from establishing your little "We hate everyone else" Muslim Empire. Please note I am saying Jihadists think this way, not all Muslims, not by a long shot.
DTop
Active member
Come on now, there's no way that even you can think that
can be construed as sensitive and thoughtful. Heed your own advice as well as mine and word your comments and opinions in a non offensive, non-confrontational manner. Your opinions on American politics are of no concern to me nor is your country of residence. PM me or Redleg if you have difficulty with this.Infern0 said:
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I have to admit that whenever I see these fashionable references to 9/11 my dander rises. Whenever it is mentioned we get 'O not that again, playing the 9/11 card.'
Well it happened. It happened not long ago. Forget it? Not fudgin likely!
Forget and forgive; yea right - you can do that when it happens to YOU. When it happens to someone else - keep your nose out. It happened to America, and it hurts. There are some here whose countries are completely unscarred by the develish atrocities we have been facing - they should not talk as though these things are nothing, to be discounted, or are now the figments of reactionary imagination. I have to say that if I were American accused of playing the game too hard, I certainly would hold up the two finger Agincourt archers' salute and remind all and sundry of 9/11.
To this day here in England we celebrate the foiling of the centuries old plot to blow up Parliament, and the fate of plotter Guy Fawkes. Until recently huge bonfires were lit all over the country with Guy on top.
That is all bye the bye really and is not my point, but the words of the poem associated with it are relevant. Passed down to us, it went:-
Remember ,remember,
The 5th of November
Gunpwder treason and plot.
I see no reason why gunpowder treason
SHOULD EVER BE FORGOT.
Begging your pardon, I recommend it to Americans everywhere.
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Team Infidel
Forum Spin Doctor
i could see that happening..
Team Infidel
Forum Spin Doctor
depends on who he surrounds himself with
I have no idea what changes I'd expect from him, personally I don't want him as my president, I agree with the theory that he is too inexperienced, but that just may be what we need.
Back to what I expect from him, I don't mean to judge him, but history has shown that if you expect anything form a US politician, your one of three things (1) Naive (2) Stupid or (3) too young to be affected. Therefore I expect nothing from him or any of the others running for president.
Back to what I expect from him, I don't mean to judge him, but history has shown that if you expect anything form a US politician, your one of three things (1) Naive (2) Stupid or (3) too young to be affected. Therefore I expect nothing from him or any of the others running for president.
Yea, good points Guys. I am just interested in this- Obama is making his big ticket the necessity and the promise of big change - he has the answer .
So this will be expectations of those who cast their vote in his favour.
So - what are the main changes you would like to see from him - or from anyone for that matter. If you are looking for change - what is it?
If no-one, including him, is saying, then are people pinning their hopes on an unknown cure-all from a skilful and impressive snake-oil salesman?
(I am not picking on him particularly, take it as a hypothetical question. Proffessional not personal - I'm sure he is a great guy)
I am trying to pinpoint whether what we have here is a new fashion in big-time politics - charisma over content, style over policies. Aimed especially at the possibly overwhelming young vote.
So this will be expectations of those who cast their vote in his favour.
So - what are the main changes you would like to see from him - or from anyone for that matter. If you are looking for change - what is it?
If no-one, including him, is saying, then are people pinning their hopes on an unknown cure-all from a skilful and impressive snake-oil salesman?
(I am not picking on him particularly, take it as a hypothetical question. Proffessional not personal - I'm sure he is a great guy)
I am trying to pinpoint whether what we have here is a new fashion in big-time politics - charisma over content, style over policies. Aimed especially at the possibly overwhelming young vote.
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Infern0
Banned
hang on hang on.
when i was talking about being sensitive, i was referring to commenting on 9/11 itself. utmost respect is deserved and given, but it is the single biggest event in at least 10 or 20 years and has re-shaped the planet...events leading from it, and the motives of those name checking it SHOULD and be and rightfully are up for questioning
| Guliani's "ready" ad | |
the above is the ad i was referring to
but anyway, im dragging this into off topic town now so i'll drop it
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