The true and not so true American allies?

UK
Australia
some of the former eastern bloc countries (cant remember them all)
Italy
Poland
Japan
S. Korea
Israel
Pakistan (at least the gov't and some of the pop)
Afghanistan (see above)
Canada (for the most part)
there are a few more, just can't think of them
 
With all ou respect, Canada and and the Netherlands have both taken hostile positions to the US military's actions in Iraq, and thats not what allies do. One of our newer Allies, Romania, which has supported us in our war.
 
GuyontheRight said:
With all ou respect, Canada and and the Netherlands have both taken hostile positions to the US military's actions in Iraq, and thats not what allies do. One of our newer Allies, Romania, which has supported us in our war.
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I wouldn't say they took hostile positions, they simply did not support the whole Iraq thing. The level of opposition is nothing compared to what the US did to its allies, UK and France, in the '56 Suez affair. And Iraq is but one of many areas in which US and these countries interact. Everyone in NATO was on board when it came to Afghanistan, and they are all equally heavily engaged in various counterterrorist activities.
 
Everyone in NATO was on board when it came to Afghanistan, and they are all equally heavily engaged in various counterterrorist activities.

Then why is the US still carrying the bulk of combat operations in Afghanistan? If Europe really wanted to help, they'd stop debated the issue and take some action, or there going to have another Madrid.
 
Europe is having domestic problems to take any decisions thanks to the EU membership. No country want to take a road map and show the rest were to go and it has its roots in the different domestic political situations you can find in every country in Europe.

Why not a big support because sweden for an example are built up on a minority government with the socialists, the Left Party and the Green Party that builds our government. That is a so called green and red mixture that all have in common no war and special not with or togheter with the USA. If they would do something like that our socialist party would loose its majority because the Left Party and then the Green Party would run away.

The right wing was for an active support on the war in Iraq and in Afghanistan but this Green Red mixture has effective stoped any such involvements. But to send troops down to africa is no problem for our government thats for sure. Half of our best armoured forces are down there and having a peace mission all in the name of the UN.

Sweden has become a haven for international terrorist and have been that for a while, because according to our laws we do not hand out persons to other states if they can be subjects for death penaltys or torture and another good reason is that in sweden we got all the technology that different terrorist or as it is called "sleeping cells" needs to do their transactions and other work in the dark as planing and so on, that is an known fact for any sweed that have any insight in the real reality of my own country. :D SMILE BIG SMILE!

"But if I see Usama Bin Ladin who should I contact? I would not be stupid to alert my own authorites that would be a great misstake for sure. US embassy is to risky with our intelligence on the other side of the line." Active role in the antiterrorist war can`t be swedens advertising slogan thats for sure. Sweden is probably one of EUs biggest turncoats in the whole union. :lol:

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Doc.S

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GuyontheRight said:
Then why is the US still carrying the bulk of combat operations in Afghanistan? If Europe really wanted to help, they'd stop debated the issue and take some action, or there going to have another Madrid.
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Madrid is part of the reason why europeans countries dont want to become involved as it makes them a target by becoming involved, the eurocorps is currently incontrol of the military forces in afganistan
 
Madrid is part of the reason why europeans countries dont want to become involved as it makes them a target by becoming involved

Everyone is a target for these people. Every free nation of democracy. In the past when the world got kicked in the ass we'd turn around and kick them back in the balls and end this nonsense.
 
I guess there thinking that if they stick there heads in the sand and let the coalition deal with the terrorists they will be untroubled. Yes they should be helping deal with the terrorists but its there way of dealing with it!
 
Afghanistan, Albania, Australia, Azerbaijan, Bulgaria, Colombia, the Czech Republic, Denmark, El Salvador, Eritrea, Estonia, Ethiopia, Georgia, Hungary, Italy, Japan, South Korea, Latvia, Lithuania, Macedonia, the Netherlands, Nicaragua, the Philippines, Poland, Romania, Slovakia, Spain, Turkey, United Kingdom and Uzbekistan.

This is the so called coalition of the willing against Iraq (also called coalition of the "coerced" by some! :eek: )
Honestly, it is easy to find the military or economic reason for the gesture...actually easier to find than any other one...
Like Afghanistan, South Korea, Japan, Ethiopia, Erithrea, Nicaragua, Colombia, El Salvador, Macedonia, the Philippines had a choice....
Like the former old and new eastern European coutries are not interested in joining NATO or getting a piece of it...
Like Ukraine, Uzbekistan and Georgia don't have a plan.
Like Italy, Spain (at that time) and Turkey could argue with NATO big Bro...
The UK acts now like a colony because it feels more American than European....
I guess the Netherlands and Denmark are the real Friends....

By the way, what is the status of the countries lined up with the US in Afghanistan, Africa or former Yougoslavia?
What about the countries that have to release terrorists because the US doesn't want to help prosecute for fear of exposing critical secrets?
 
The British are probably our best allies. The French have to be our worst, with Germany close behind. Sorry to any French or Germans here...I know that not all of the population supports your governments' positions on Iraq.
 
J.Hawk said:
Everyone in NATO was on board when it came to Afghanistan, and they are all equally heavily engaged in various counterterrorist activities.
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Equally? No, not possible - most countries do not have the man power, money, equpitment or specialised training to be "equal" with the major players. The top three supporters and suppliers of/to the GWOT are the US, UK and (drum roll) France, in that order.

the eurocorps is currently incontrol of the military forces in afganistan
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Eurocorps, under NATO, has command of ISAF. OEF, with it's 18,000+ troops is not under NATO command.
 
GuyontheRight said:
Then why is the US still carrying the bulk of combat operations in Afghanistan? If Europe really wanted to help, they'd stop debated the issue and take some action, or there going to have another Madrid.
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There are Dutch soldiers in Afganistan, and we just had another one killed in Iraq.
I don't think you have the right to say anything demeaning about the involvement of my country. Our government supported the attack on Iraq politically from the start, believing intel provided by the US. They didn't want to join in with the actual attack because the UN had it's doubts, we already had troops in Afganistan and there was no need for our involvement.
I think the different countries can all figure out for themselves how they want to avoid another Madrid. That's democracy. If Spain want's to stay away from Iraq, that's their choice, and I disagree. I think they shouldn't give in.
The Dutch are in Iraq and trying to help. I'm proud of it and I won't let you tell me we've taken a "hostile position to the US military's actions in Iraq", because it's simply not true.
 
I don't think you have the right to say anything demeaning about the involvement of my country

Im not, and Im gratful to your people for their help, but try to envision your country bearing the biggest problem in the world and having you citizens paying the ultimate price day in a day out.
 
GuyontheRight said:
I don't think you have the right to say anything demeaning about the involvement of my country

Im not, and Im gratful to your people for their help, but try to envision your country bearing the biggest problem in the world and having you citizens paying the ultimate price day in a day out.
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I think I know what you mean, but I don't know what that has to do with you saying
GuyontheRight said:
With all ou respect, Canada and and the Netherlands have both taken hostile positions to the US military's actions in Iraq, and thats not what allies do
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