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Tiny Tibet feels squeeze from giant neighbors
 
September 5th, 2005  
Italian Guy
 
 
Tiny Tibet feels squeeze from giant neighbors
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unless you see heaven.

they are just as miserable compared to heaven.
Ok sure
ya, believe in ur government, YOU ARE THE BOSS!!! YOU ARE important!!
You as a Canadian are just as free a Cuban!! You're a slave!!
September 5th, 2005  
WARmachine88
 
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unless you see heaven.

they are just as miserable compared to heaven.
Ok sure
ya, believe in ur government, YOU ARE THE BOSS!!! YOU ARE important!!
You as a Canadian are just as free a Cuban!! You're a slave!!
of course I am, from Jan 1st to June 30st, all i work for is to pay taxes!!!

oh I am so free!!!
September 5th, 2005  
Italian Guy
 
 
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unless you see heaven.

they are just as miserable compared to heaven.
Ok sure
ya, believe in ur government, YOU ARE THE BOSS!!! YOU ARE important!!
You as a Canadian are just as free a Cuban!! You're a slave!!
of course I am, from Jan 1st to June 30st, all i work for is to pay taxes!!!

oh I am so free!!!
#1 You won't be jailed for saying this
#2 You can leave your country anytime.
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Tiny Tibet feels squeeze from giant neighbors
September 5th, 2005  
WARmachine88
 
40% of individual request for government information (totally legal under the law) are rejected by the government.

you will be shocked to see some recent cases about how people are wrongfully jailed for more than 20 years (live in canada and you will know).

you see, just a couple days ago, American citizens (richest nation on earth) are left starving for 5 days with no one rescuing them, are they better than people in north korea in those 5 days?? at least North korean's toliet still works.
September 5th, 2005  
Italian Guy
 
 
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40% of individual request for government information (totally legal under the law) are rejected by the government.

you will be shocked to see some recent cases about how people are wrongfully jailed for more than 20 years (live in canada and you will know).

you see, just a couple days ago, American citizens (richest nation on earth) are left starving for 5 days with no one rescuing them, are they better than people in north korea in those 5 days?? at least North korean's toliet still works.
Ok sure, it's about the same. That's what my friends were thinking about when they fled Viet Nam on a boat to challenge oceans and sharks and arrived to America. Oh yes today they think they enjoy the same freedom they did back home. Same with my Cuban friends. I have wasted enough of my time with you, little kid. And BTW were're completely gone off topic.
(I know Canada pretty well, been there).
September 5th, 2005  
WARmachine88
 
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40% of individual request for government information (totally legal under the law) are rejected by the government.

you will be shocked to see some recent cases about how people are wrongfully jailed for more than 20 years (live in canada and you will know).

you see, just a couple days ago, American citizens (richest nation on earth) are left starving for 5 days with no one rescuing them, are they better than people in north korea in those 5 days?? at least North korean's toliet still works.
Ok sure, it's about the same. That's what my friends were thinking about when they fled Viet Nam on a boat to challenge oceans and sharks and arrived to America. Oh yes today they think they enjoy the same freedom they did back home. Same with my Cuban friends. I have wasted enough of my time with you, little kid. And BTW were're completely gone off topic.
(I know Canada pretty well, been there).
dont worry man, it is jsut my perspective, which is a realistic way of looking at politics.

you can look at it in your way and if you r happy, than so be it.

but you got to agree human world is miserable and no place on earth is perfect.

and i agree we are off topic.
September 6th, 2005  
Rich
 

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Good points Rich and Italianguy, I can see where you come from. Wasn't Tibet ruled under Ching dynasty (Autonomous)? Ming declared Tibet to be Autonomous state not a free nation.
Wrong - the Dalai Lama was recognized as the supreme leader, both politically and spiritually by China. The Dalai Lama, recognized as equal in status, was the only dignitary that the emperor would leave the palace to meet. This act recognized the status of the Dalai Lama and his authority in Tibet. This status remained in place right up until the start of the 20th Century.

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So, Tibet was a free nation declared by the British because of China's lack of military power to fight against the modernized British?
China didn't even make so much as a diplomatic protest.

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So, when did other nation has the power to decare freedom of a region from its mother land?
Well how far do you want to go back in history. Maybe China from the Mongols, or the US from the British. Mexico. Zimbabwe. Ireland. Most of the SE Asian, African & South American countries. Canada. Even my home country, Australia is free to choose which head of state it wishes to have (oh, and we get to vote on it)

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You mentioned treaty between China and Tibet. Well, who drafted the treaty. I am pretty sure British had a heavy hand on that, no? Didn't British single handily got rid of Tibet from Ching's map.
Wrong again - the Tibetans had declared independence from Ching before Britain invaded Tibet. By 1911, the Chinese had been evicted from Tibet.

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Did China ever invited the British to meddle its political system? Are you saying because of China's weakness, it was ok for the British to cut up China as they pleased (politically, socially, financially, and militarily)?
China, conquered Tibet, changed its government structure, took over its natural assets and prevented the Tibetan people from practicing their own religion. That might be considered meddling by some people.

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Tibet's political alliance with Ching (China) should be taken care of between the Tibetans and Chinese, not by invasion of others.
I actually agree with you on this. Provided it is not one country forcing controls on the other through the force of arms as was the case with the 17 point agreement. If China can have a dual system with Hong Kong, why can't the same be true of Tibet?

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When did I say my support for the killing of Tibetans? Are you implying my support of killing Blacks, suppression of minorities, unjust treatment of others because my support for the US?



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Yes, there are plenty of Catholic, Christian Churches and Buddhist temples in China. You are right that Chinese government does not allow full fledge of religion freedom, for one reason, unlike westerners, Chinese people are not well-known in self-determinations, self-dictate and self-rule. Many Chinese are easily fooled by religion and religion-liked: superstition. For certain, Chinese people don't need more cults because of the foolish of ignorants. China needs to progress not dwell on thousand year old old tradition, religion, distorted superstitions and ultra egos that restrict any pragmatic progressions.
Now this is where we will never agree. I happen to think people are people, regardless where they are born, with a fundamental right to pursue their own religious beliefs - free from government interference. You don't like religion - fine. Your able to have your view. But when you label people with religious or spiritual beliefs as "easily fooled" & "ignorants" then you also label not only other Chinese and Tibetans, but the majority of the human race.

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I sincerely wish China will change the human-rights issues.
I don't know how you can reconcile previous comments with this last one. Sounds like a placatory comment without substance. If I'm wrong, please explain it to me. Please read the United Nations Universal Declaration of Human Rights (link below) particularly the following line:
human beings shall enjoy freedom of speech and belief and freedom from fear and want has been proclaimed as the highest aspiration of the common people
http://www.un.org/Overview/rights.html

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How little appreciation for the word of democracy? Well, personally, I was not born into one. I am sure I am just as qualify to use it and live it as you.
Oh but you are free to live and enjoy the benefits of a democracy - except, of course, if you are a Tibetan.[/quote]
September 6th, 2005  
WARmachine88
 
wow nice post, very high quality

incident like Tibet is just one sad fact that is similiar to those happened in North American done by Canadians and Americans, except Chinese didn't put Tibet children in residence school and sexually assult them (happened in Canada).

and talk about religious rights!!
trying to convert Iraq into U.S is sort of intervetion in Mulism people's belief...

they don't have the same concept of freedom, woman's rights and everything like Americans do, yet Americans try to change them with force...talk about respecting others' religion.
September 8th, 2005  
LeEnfield
 
 
Well lets look at from another angle, at the end of the 19 th Century a Captain Youghusband invaded Tibet and made it a British colony for a while. This came about due the number of cattle raids that Tibetans were carrying out in to India and their refusal to control the people that were doing this. Captain Younghusband wrote a book on this action and it was a dam good read, but alas I can't remember the title of the book
September 8th, 2005  
WARmachine88
 
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Well lets look at from another angle, at the end of the 19 th Century a Captain Youghusband invaded Tibet and made it a British colony for a while. This came about due the number of cattle raids that Tibetans were carrying out in to India and their refusal to control the people that were doing this. Captain Younghusband wrote a book on this action and it was a dam good read, but alas I can't remember the title of the book
That must be an interesting book because Tibet is always a bit isolated and any first hand description of the old Tibet is worth to read.