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August 9th, 2005  
chewie_nz
 
Threats to American Security
nice retort


the way reagen ended the cold war was to spend enough on weapons (mainly nukes) that the USSR bankrupted it's self trying to keep up...problem with that was he almost bankrupted the US too.


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Mmmmmmh ok Chewie just found out that the free world's worst threat after Hitler and before Bin Laden was NOT communism but something else.
Sure.
well yes...by definition it was something else.

Revolution -> Socialism -> communism

communism being the ideal end result where "from each according to their ability, to each according to their need". the problem being that true socialism leaves so much power in so few hands it's just too tempting for leaders to give up. as with alot of things we have twisted the origional words so fzar that they mean something else now
August 9th, 2005  
mmarsh
 
 
First of all I'm American in France, I'm not a French Citizen.

I was there. You are totally wrong. It really was that one-sided.
The French never tried to boycott American products, nor encourge people not to visit the US, nor try and exhume the french killed during the American Resolution. Everyone knows am American i speek French with a heavy accent, never has anyone insulted my nationality the 6 years I have been here. The worst I have heard are a few sterotypes and a occasional joke. The French dont like Bush but they love America. in 2004 there where 700,000 visitors to the US. Thats alot for a nation of 65 Million. I dont think so many people would have come had they 'hated' America.

We acted disgracfully to our oldest ally and if we trully are this great nation (which I think we are) we ought to apolgize. BTW the Congress did change the name back to 'French Fries'. An slight admission of error perhaps?

Your mistaken yet again.
The Pledge of Alliegence is to the flag and for the nation in which it stands.
those are the words right? It doesn't say I pledge alliegence to the President nor the People. Again, that would be facism. In Nazi Germany you took a pledge to defend the Fueher not Germany or the Weimar constituion. So you wrong to suggest I critized Americans.

Bigotry doesnt mean always mean race. Everyone is prejudice toward something/somebody. One can be prejudice toward a Race, Religon; Nationality, Sexual orientation, social class, etc.

I admit to being angry at Arab world right now, for reasons I think you can figure out...
August 9th, 2005  
mmarsh
 
 
Missileer

I use facts to prove my point.

You use insults, which means that are unable to defend your opinions with fact.

I'll take that as a victory then. Thanks for the discussion it was enjoyable (at least for me).
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August 9th, 2005  
chewie_nz
 
here here,


couldn't agree with you more on the insults comment

it's funny the assumptions we all make on here according to what flag people choose to use
August 9th, 2005  
mmarsh
 
 
Chewie

Very True.

I must admit your're quite knowledgable for a New Zealander about the Reagan Administration (much more so then some of the posters here). I had forgotten about starting a new arms race with the USSR.

Missileer you can use it as point 8 thanks to my friend here...
August 9th, 2005  
5.56X45mm
 
 
So Cuba isn't a communist country. I guess my living there for ten years of my life has no credit in that little area. And as for the Soviet Union choosing it's leaders. HAHAHAHAHA! Lenin became the boss because of the October Revoluntion and then in the 1920s he created a secert police. The NKVD, the Grandfather of the KGB. Stalin got in charge of Lenin's death by killing and kidnapping those that wanted the job. Nikita Khrushchev got the job because he was one scary SOB. He was a NKVD officer and was one of Stalin's favorite NKVD officer because he scared the living sh#t out of the red Army during the Battle of Stalingrad. Khrushchev did stuff that would make a SS Officer proud. And so one and so on... The Sviet Union uses the position of the politburo to create and remake it's government. There were factions going after each other's throat. It was to thhe point that the different directorates of the KGB were trying to get the other busted.

Castro is one down right evil son of a *****! Half my family is dead because of that man. And Communism, Facism, and Socialism are all the same to me. They're evil. There are only three things that I believe in. And it's the Republic of the United States of America, FREEDOM OF CHOICE, and Capitalism. The USA isn't a Democracy it's a Republic. And I hate socialized health care. Sure, I don't have to pay for shit. But I have to wait three years for a simple check up. No thanks. I rather pay and not wait in line. It's just that simple. You get what you payed for. If you want to live a good life. Bust your ass, study, get a good education, and than you can live how you want to live. Life isn't fair. It never will be and it never can be. MAN IS EVIL. Why? Becuase Man will always abuse his fellow man. And also man is greedy. So you know what. Shut up, shit, or get off the pot.

PS - There are many things that I don't like with the current government. The Patriot Act, Open Border Policy, Continued Trade with Communist China, and the fact that they still won't correct the laws reguarding firearm ownership. But it's a hell of alot better than if John Kerry or Al Gore were in charge. And at least I live in south Florida. Not in Commie land New York City, Washington DC, Chicago, California, and Massachusett.
August 9th, 2005  
mmarsh
 
 
You didn't read my earlier post

It isnt a communist country in the traditionalist sense of the Communist Manifesto. In fact the Reason relations between the USSR and Cuba ended was Castro decided he didnt want to take orders the Commisboro (Political HQ in Moscow). The Communist Menifeso states that orders have to come from Moscow, so yes I stand by my earlier statement Cuba is not a Communist State, it is however a totalitarian state which in my opinion is far worse. Given the choice, I would rather live in the Soviet USSR then a police state like Cuba.
Lenin, Stalin, Krushchev, Breshnev, Anotolev, Gorbachev were all choosen by the Commisboro. Stalin cheated a little bit because he killed all his rivals and anyone in his way but the rest were picked. Thats the difference nobody picked Castro, Castro picked himself. When he talks about the Revolution he is taking about himself. He WAS the revolution.
its like Napoleon said "l'Etat cest moi", I am the state. Castro calls himself communist because it was the only way to give his government legitmacy. You do yourself a disservice by calling Cuba communist. Communism is a popular movement, Castro revolution was nothing more than a vulgur coup d'etat. Call Castro for what he is, a dictator!
Its the same thing as Castro calling himself a President, he's no president president are elected, nobody elected Castro. He just calls himself one, just like he calls himself a Communist.

Calling Castro evil is pointless. All you are doing is shouting the obvious. Nobody here was defending him.

Oh yes I am sorry I forgot what a Pearl of civilization South Florida is. I just read in the Sun-Sentinel that Crime is up 19%, and Poverty is up 20% in South Florida. A real pillar of the world to be sure. As you certainly a 'compassionate conservative' just make sure to tell Jeb Bush to share the love and not to ask for Federal Aid, because that money comes principally from the states you expressed a certain amount of distain for. (Blue States pay more taxes and recieve less Federal funds then Red ones). The largest group on Welfare are the Red States! (My favorite fact, thanks for letting me use it). Do it for us, that way I can sleep at night knowing my family's money isnt going to a bunch of ingreatful people such as yourself.

For the very little you know about communism you know less about Democracy. Like the fact Democracies base themselves on Tolerance.
You have expressed you hatred for Communists, Democrats and People
from Blue States. With so much hatred inside of you are you not sure you wouldnt be happier in Cuba? Castro is known to be intolerant towards people he dislikes as well. Maybe you'd have that in common?
August 9th, 2005  
03USMC
 
 
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Originally Posted by mmarsh

Do it for us, that way I can sleep at night knowing my family's money isnt going to a bunch of ingreatful people such as yourself.
Nice real Nice.
August 9th, 2005  
Italian Guy
 
 
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Originally Posted by mmarsh
Communism is a popular movement, Castro revolution was nothing more than a vulgur coup d'etat. Call Castro for what he is, a dictator!
Man, who brainwashed you? Wasn't Krushev a dictator?? Wasn't Mao a dictator?? How bout Breznev? Popular movement? There was NO country in the world that ever went communist after winning elections. Nowhere at all. Eastern Europe they did coups everywhere. Not even a small percentage of the Russian people took part in the 1917 Revolution. Millions were killed within two yrs from October 1917. And that was because they hadn't supported the bolsheviks, that small but organized minority of the SD Party.
Communism means "dictatorship of the proletariat", and rejects what it calls "bourgeois tools", such as the Parliament.
Popular movement? Come up and say Hitler was not a dictator: he enjoyed a huge support among the Germans after all. His was truly a popular movement, in a way. I mean are you saying USSR wasn't a dictatorship? Cm on.
August 9th, 2005  
mmarsh
 
 
03USMC

Hey, if you read his post (several of them actually) you notice he made a nasty crack about where I and millions of others are from.

I didnt see you make a fuss about that.

I never insulted him, his background, or where was from.

I merely pointed out that his neck of the woods had problems too and if that if thats how he felt about his fellow countrymen up North he should not accept our charity, as i would prefer to give my money to those who actually appriciate it.

Thats all.

But in your mind, because I am not a right-winger = I'm the bad guy.
Sorry, but I dont feel the slightest bit guilty about putting a nasty fellow in his place. And I did it using facts, not insults.