These people make me sick.

Damien435

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Someone needs to give these protestors a good kick in the ass and explain to them that the military is volunteer only right now, these people knew the risks they were facing and chose to enlist anyways. These protestors, instead of trying to use these wounded soldiers as a tool to try and push their own political agenda, should instead do what normal, caring individuals do and thank these men for their bravery and sacrifices they made for their country, right or wrong. Go protest at the White House, where they might actually be able to have some effect other than pissing off half the country for their (the protestors) complete stupidity.

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I'd like to see about a hundred Bubba trucks drive up and start passing around new, hickory axe handles. I have a feeling there would only be a few signs, flowers, and sandals left behind when they realized what was going on.
 
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I'm having grave troubles accessing the site.

Anyone wanna do a copy an' paste job for me? Or summary? :oops:
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Anti-War Protests Target Wounded at Army Hospital
By Marc Morano
CNSNews.com Senior Staff Writer
August 25, 2005

See Marc Morano's Video Report

Washington (CNSNews.com) - The Walter Reed Army Medical Center in Washington, D.C., the current home of hundreds of wounded veterans from the war in Iraq, has been the target of weekly anti-war demonstrations since March. The protesters hold signs that read "Maimed for Lies" and "Enlist here and die for Halliburton."

The anti-war demonstrators, who obtain their protest permits from the Washington, D.C., police department, position themselves directly in front of the main entrance to the Army Medical Center, which is located in northwest D.C., about five miles from the White House.

Among the props used by the protesters are mock caskets, lined up on the sidewalk to represent the death toll in Iraq.

Code Pink Women for Peace, one of the groups backing anti-war activist Cindy Sheehan's vigil outside President Bush's ranch in Crawford Texas, organizes the protests at Walter Reed as well.

Some conservative supporters of the war call the protests, which have been ignored by the establishment media, "shameless" and have taken to conducting counter-demonstrations at Walter Reed. "[The anti-war protesters] should not be demonstrating at a hospital. A hospital is not a suitable location for an anti-war demonstration," said Bill Floyd of the D.C. chapter of FreeRepublic.com, who stood across the street from the anti-war demonstrators on Aug. 19.

"I believe they are tormenting our wounded soldiers and they should just leave them alone," Floyd added.

According to the Walter Reed Army Medical Center, nearly 4,000 individuals involved in the Iraq war were treated at the facility as of March of this year, 1,050 of whom were wounded in battle.

One anti-war protester, who would only identify himself as "Luke," told Cybercast News Service that "the price of George Bush's foreign policy can be seen right here at Walter Reed -- young men who returned from Iraq with their bodies shattered after George Bush sent them to war for a lie."

Luke accused President Bush of "exploiting American soldiers" while "oppressing the other nations of earth." The president "has killed far too many people," he added.

On Aug. 19, as the anti-war protesters chanted slogans such as "George Bush kills American soldiers," Cybercast News Service observed several wounded war veterans entering and departing the gates of Walter Reed, some with prosthetic limbs. Most of the demonstrations have been held on Friday evenings, a popular time for the family members of wounded soldiers to visit the hospital.

But the anti-war activists were unapologetic when asked whether they considered such signs as "Maimed for Lies" offensive to wounded war veterans and their families.

"I am more offended by the fact that many were maimed for life. I am more offended by the fact that they (wounded veterans) have been kept out of the news," said Kevin McCarron, a member of the anti-war group Veterans for Peace.

Kevin Pannell, who was recently treated at Walter Reed and had both legs amputated after an ambush grenade attack near Baghdad in 2004, considers the presence of the anti-war protesters in front of the hospital "distasteful."

When he was a patient at the hospital, Pannell said he initially tried to ignore the anti-war activists camped out in front of Walter Reed, until witnessing something that enraged him.

"We went by there one day and I drove by and [the anti-war protesters] had a bunch of flag-draped coffins laid out on the sidewalk. That, I thought, was probably the most distasteful thing I had ever seen. Ever," Pannell, a member of the Army's First Cavalry Division, told Cybercast News Service.

"You know that 95 percent of the guys in the hospital bed lost guys whenever they got hurt and survivors' guilt is the worst thing you can deal with," Pannell said, adding that other veterans recovering from wounds at Walter Reed share his resentment for the anti-war protesters.

"We don't like them and we don't like the fact that they can hang their signs and stuff on the fence at Walter Reed," he said. "[The wounded veterans] are there to recuperate. Once they get out in the real world, then they can start seeing that stuff (anti-war protests). I mean Walter Reed is a sheltered environment and it needs to stay that way."

McCarron said he dislikes having to resort to such controversial tactics, "but this stuff can't be hidden," he insisted. "The real cost of this war cannot be kept from the American public."

The anti-war protesters claim their presence at the hospital is necessary to publicize the arrivals of newly wounded soldiers from Iraq, who the protesters allege are being smuggled in at night by the Pentagon to avoid media scrutiny. The protesters also argue that the military hospital is the most appropriate place for the demonstrations and that the vigils are designed to ultimately help the wounded veterans.

"If I went to war and lost a leg and then found out from my hospital bed that I had been lied to, that the weapons I was sent to search for never existed, that the person who sent me to war had no plan but to exploit me, exploit the country I was sent to, I would be pretty angry," Luke told Cybercast News Service.

"I would want people to do something about it and if I couldn't get out of my bed and protest myself, I would want someone else to do it in my name," he added.

The conservative counter-demonstrators carry signs reading "Troops out when the job's done," "Thank you U.S. Armed Forces" and "Shameless Pinkos go home." Many wear the orange T-shirts reading "Club G'itmo" that are marketed by conservative talk show host Rush Limbaugh.

"[The anti-war protesters] have no business here. If they want to protest policy, they should be at the Capitol, they should be at the White House," said Nina Burke. "The only reason for being here is to talk to [the] wounded and [anti-war protests are] just completely inappropriate."

Albion Wilde concurred, arguing that "it's very easy to pick on the families of the wounded. They are very vulnerable ... I feel disgusted.

"[The anti-war protesters] are really showing an enormous lack of respect for just everything that America has always stood for. They lost the election and now they are really, really angry and so they are picking on the wrong people," Wilde added.

At least one anti-war demonstrator conceded that standing out in front of a military hospital where wounded soldiers and their families are entering and exiting, might not be appropriate.

"Maybe there is a better place to have a protest. I am not sure," said a man holding a sign reading "Stop the War," who declined to be identified.

But Luke and the other anti-war protesters dismissed the message of the counter demonstrators. "We know most of the George Bush supporters have never spent a day in uniform, have never been closer to a battlefield than seeing it through the television screen," Luke said.

Code Pink, the group organizing the anti-war demonstrations in front of the Walter Reed hospital, has a controversial leader and affiliations. As Cybercast News Service previously reported, Code Pink co-founder Medea Benjamin has expressed support for the Communist Viet Cong in Vietnam and the Nicaraguan Sandinistas.

In 2001, Benjamin was asked about anti-war protesters sympathizing with nations considered to be enemies of U.S. foreign policy, including the Viet Cong and the Sandinistas. "There's no one who will talk about how the other side is good," she reportedly told the San Francisco Chronicle.

Benjamin has also reportedly praised the Cuban regime of Fidel Castro. Benjamin told the San Francisco Chronicle that her visit to Cuba in the 1980s revealed to her a great country. "It seem[ed] like I died and went to heaven," she reportedly said.
 
Lets be Honest the only place conservatives WOULD want war protesters is at the bottom of the ocean. They are always "outraged" whenever there is a protest. So thats nothing new.

I agree with the protesters cause, but I think these wounded like any medical patient need peace and quiet to recover from their wounds. Some of them have suffered terrible wounds and may want their privacy to deal with their new medical situations. I think Bush is a legitmate target to protest, but I think we should leave these people in free from politics, that includes BOTH sides.

Doody

I would say that I am very concerned for the troops welfare. The longer they stay in Iraq the more concerned I grow for their welfare. Espically when I consider the sacrifices that they make not to be worth the benefits of us being there. What would you have me do? I am sick to my stomach about causaulty reports coming from Iraq.
 
Maybe the next step is for them to start protesting outside the family homes of soldiers who have been killed in action. Or maybe protest at their funerals. I can't see any difference between that and what they are doing now at the hospital.

I've been in so many airports lately (in the US) and whenever the military are boarding planes there is spontaneous appluase, cheers and yells of good wishes. I'm not American but you can't help feeling an enormous sense of pride.

The worrying part of this particular protest is that it is directed at the troops - and injured troops may need the most support of all. I think reaonable people will see this as totally wrong. But this is a deliberate campaign so I can only think that's the protestors are deliberately provoking here becuase that will keep the media focussed on them.

I wonder how many of the injured troops they have spoken to about their feelings and thoughts. Stuff all would be my guess.
 
I didnt know that. That's truly disgusting. It reminds me 10 years ago when those religous right wingers started protesting at the funerals of Gay people who dies of AIDS.

Extremists on both sides will be the end of this country.
 
i went to the Rhode Island International Leapfest two weeks ago, and there were a couple of people standing out at the main road with signs saying "this is not the time for a festival, bring our troops home" and i was so angered by that. do they not realize that protesting the soldiers does not serve any purpose? why protest the military gatherings? why protest the exact same people that are making it so that you can sleep in peace at night? i just dont get it!

if you want to support the troops, do something like www.anysoldier.com, adopt a platoon, send care packages.

if you want to protest, then protest at a place where decisions are made, not hospitals where the wounded, who are wounded to protect you and your right to protest.

but you cant have it both ways.
 
mmarsh said:
Lets be Honest the only place conservatives WOULD want war protesters is at the bottom of the ocean. They are always "outraged" whenever there is a protest. So thats nothing new.
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I can't really argue with you there, but in this case I think there is an a concensus amognst everyone here that this is truly going too far. Like I said before, if they were protesting at the White House or Congress I would probably ignore this protest like most others, but this truly is different that the others.

But Luke and the other anti-war protesters dismissed the message of the counter demonstrators. "We know most of the George Bush supporters have never spent a day in uniform, have never been closer to a battlefield than seeing it through the television screen," Luke said.
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Well neither has this Luke bastard, how is it that he can say that he speaks on behalf of the wounded soldiers if he has never worn the uniform himself? I did not make it to basic because of my knee but I did prepare myself for the reality that I could get wounded or killed in battle and what these protestors are doing is IMO one of the lowest things and person could do.

I don't usually approve of using "goon squads" to break up protests like this, but this is different then most protests. If a group of people went in their and busted some skulls I wouldn't shed a single tear for any of those protestors who were injured.

What do you think the response would be by the protestors if several service men walked out and asked them to leave?
 
mmarsh said:
Doody

I would say that I am very concerned for the troops welfare. The longer they stay in Iraq the more concerned I grow for their welfare. Espically when I consider the sacrifices that they make not to be worth the benefits of us being there. What would you have me do? I am sick to my stomach about causaulty reports coming from Iraq.
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I am not too sure of your background in the military so I will make no assumptions. If you remember correctly, I have been to Iraq and my wife is about to go over there. I firmly belive that in a time of war, soldiers should worry about the task at hand. For any soldier to participate in anti war protests will do absolutely nothing for the mission. Time should be spent getting ready for war.

As a soldier, I have no control over where I go. I can :cen: all I want, but the fact is I am going. Regardless if we made a mistake by going to Iraq, we must complete what we went there to do. To pull back now would be to dishonor all those, good, bad and innocent, who have died in that conflict.

2 things really take care of troops in a time of war; training and equipment. The better the training is, the less casualties will occur. My signature shows my feelings on that. Equipment is another biggie. You do not have to tell me that we could have been better prepared for Iraq equipment wise. I was within eyesight of the front in the old vietnam era flak jacket. Everyone else around me had the new IBA.

You may feel bad about those causality reports, but I should feel worse. My wife is weeks away from deploying. I have been a soldier ever since high school and I do not know how it is to be a civilian looking in on this matter. I know my mom hates the fact I am in the military. If every mom throughout history had her way, there would be no soldiers to fight wars. I am willing to be a soldier knowing full well I could die as a result. If I were to die, the last thing I would want is ANY type of protest with my name used.

The question is how to "support" soldiers like me who know the consequences of being a soldier in a time of war.
 
Ahh thanks for the love, Rich.


Benjamin has also reportedly praised the Cuban regime of Fidel Castro. Benjamin told the San Francisco Chronicle that her visit to Cuba in the 1980s revealed to her a great country. "It seem[ed] like I died and went to heaven," she reportedly said.
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Code Pink, the group organizing the anti-war demonstrations in front of the Walter Reed hospital, has a controversial leader and affiliations. As Cybercast News Service previously reported, Code Pink co-founder Medea Benjamin has expressed support for the Communist Viet Cong in Vietnam and the Nicaraguan Sandinistas
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And that about sums it up.

Despicable human beings.
 
Doody

I'm a civilian with a strong interest in military history. I never served (although I regret it). I thank you (and others) for your service however.
Best wishes for you and your wife.

While I thought this war was a mistake from the start I agree that we cannot leave immediatly. But neither can we stay indefinatly as that would lead to even more needless deaths. As Chuck Hagel said "Stay the course is not a government policy". We need an exit stategy. We all know what happen in Vietnam because we didnt have one. We need a plan and stick to it. The problem is we have NONE and the war goes on, and on into limbo.

I fully agree, The lack of suitable equipment is a disgrace, that failure should have cost Rumsfeld his job. Truly unbelivable incompetance.

You're right, I have no comprehesion how you must feel. I'll be honest, I am not jealous.
 
mmarsh, one thing has disturbed me a little about your profile and some of the things you said, here are my conclusions. Either A.) You are French, in which case I do not know why you keep saying "we" in regards to the troops in Iraq or B.) You are an American, in which case the question is why do you have a French flag as you country? French ancestry?
 
Damien435 said:
mmarsh, one thing has disturbed me a little about your profile and some of the things you said, here are my conclusions. Either A.) You are French, in which case I do not know why you keep saying "we" in regards to the troops in Iraq or B.) You are an American, in which case the question is why do you have a French flag as you country? French ancestry?
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I'm sorry, I admit its a little misleading but it is accurate.

I am a dual-national French-American. I grew up in America. I fly the Tricolours is because I currently live in Paris (work for international company). If I were ever to move back home I would change it back to stars and stripes. Unfortunatly on this board there is no way (that I discovered) to fly two flags.
 
mmarsh, you can buy a verity of flags in the forum PX using your mil bucks.

I understand you a bit more now I see you are a dual citizen

Oh, you and I definitely agree on Rummy. I have never liked him. After he "forgot" to tell Bush about the abuse of Iraqi prisoners, I felt he should have been canned.
 
Doody said:
mmarsh, you can buy a verity of flags in the forum PX using your mil bucks.

I understand you a bit more now I see you are a dual citizen

Oh, you and I definitely agree on Rummy. I have never liked him. After he "forgot" to tell Bush about the abuse of Iraqi prisoners, I felt he should have been canned.
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Just on that, I'm an Australian living in the US (I'm a resident but not a citizen). Is it misleading to fly both flags? - I didn't know I could fly both.
Thx
 
Would you not like to see the darft brought back and a large number of these people called to serve in the Army.
 
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