Tea Party

tomtom22

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I received this in an e-mail, thought it was very powerful and well done. If you are an American, it speaks volumes about what being an American is all about, if you are not, it is still worth watching.

This resulted from a Mom in Alabama asking her high school son to help with a commercial for the Tea Party she was involved in organizing. Boy, does it slam the message home. Very impressive.

Here is her note: "I asked Justin if he could help me make a commercial for my group's Tea Party. He sat down at the laptop for about an hour, and then brought this to me and asked 'is this okay Mom?' After I finished watching it, my stomach was in my throat. Everyone that I have sent it to has really enjoyed it, so I wanted my friends to see it, I am so proud".

A very Powerful video, turn up the sound and sit back....!!!!
GUARANTEED GOOSE BUMPS.....


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a pity .wmv (unlike Flash, MPEG or QuickTime) is just a Bill Gates formate and does not run on other - non windows - machines in this version...

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It's a great video that also gave me goosebumps.
Didn't like the ending.
I don't think these images or themes should be used to advertise one's political movement. They should be used as a reminder of why we must ensure that the United States remains as a force of good in the world and that it does not turn its enemies into heroes with moral cause on their side.

For some reason there seems to be an increasing want to become a failed state. No central government, no regulation, an uncontrolled free market and no taxes. I can tell you that not one country that runs like this is faring well. And please don't use "But we're Americans" as a reason and I know a lot of people do. A lot of folks in Korea talk all kinds of disastrous BS justified by "we're different because we're Korean." It truly is the ultimate face palm moment.
 
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I don't think these images or themes should be used to advertise one's political movement. They should be used as a reminder of why we must ensure that the United States remains as a force of good in the world and that it does not turn its enemies into heroes with moral cause on their side.

For some reason there seems to be an increasing want to become a failed state. No central government, no regulation, an uncontrolled free market and no taxes. I can tell you that not one country that runs like this is faring well. And please don't use "But we're Americans" as a reason and I know a lot of people do. A lot of folks in Korea talk all kinds of disastrous BS justified by "we're different because we're Korean." It truly is the ultimate face palm moment.
Precisely. I didn't WANT Bush to fail as a president, I wanted him to succeed in all ways possible. He just didn't. The talk I've heard from a number of folks seems to indicate they want Obama to fail, which disgusts me to no end. This is YOUR country, you do NOT want it to fail in any way shape or form, no matter WHO is running it.
 
Well not just that. I mean look at this:

- No to little taxes.
- Want the government out of everything (since they're so bad at everything).
- Should privatize everthing.
- No regulation.
- Laws unnecessary because everyone is armed.
- Survival of the fittest.
- And although I don't think anyone here has said it, I've heard it elsewhere from conservatives: isolation from the world.

There's a place in the world like this and it's called Somalia.

But you don't even have to go that far to know you're asking for a very bad deal.
I consider Indonesia to be a capitalist's heaven... possibly a dream come true. The labor is cheap, the laws are bendable, raw materials close by, the cops payable and I know for a fact that what happens is there are some rich powerful families and the rest pretty much live as the underclass. What resembles a middle class is mostly foreigners who have been assigned to Indonesia or do business there.
The ethnic Chinese almost exclusively occupy the upper echelons of society (except politics... but who needs to when you can buy a politician?) and the local populace have almost zero chance of making it to the upper economic echelons.
I can guarantee you, that the VAST majority of us in this forum would be a part of that underclass if that sort of system were to take hold in America. A policeman like 5.56 with a truck that big? That would be a sick joke. So maybe he'll try the private sector... the security guards get paid peanuts.
Many of us here are enlistedmen in the military or were enlistedmen. AF Steliga lives off base and he's a Private. That would be unheard of. He would have to live in a barracks until he became a SNCO. Besides, he wouldn't be able to afford to pay for all of his meals outside anyway.
I would have nowhere to go but into family business.


That's what you're really asking for when you go for these "Tea Parties."
 
I don't have a problem with taxes. It's in the Constitution.

On the other hand, I have a problem with a cop that can take a 19 year old girl that is handcuffed with her hands behind her back, she's not physically or verbally abusing him, she's polite and the cop with one hand spreads her eye lids far apart, and with the other hand MACES her. That was a few years ago back east somewhere. I saw the video, had it saved on YouTube, but turns out the video is no longer there.

I have a problem with an abusive government. I have a problem with a government that makes itself immune from any retribution through the courts, so in essence justifying those very acts.
 
Actually compared to most of the world, the US government is probably one of the most suable government in the world.
 
Well not just that. I mean look at this:

- No to little taxes.
- Want the government out of everything (since they're so bad at everything).
- Should privatize everthing.
- No regulation.
- Laws unnecessary because everyone is armed.
- Survival of the fittest.
- And although I don't think anyone here has said it, I've heard it elsewhere from conservatives: isolation from the world.

There's a place in the world like this and it's called Somalia.

But you don't even have to go that far to know you're asking for a very bad deal.
I consider Indonesia to be a capitalist's heaven... possibly a dream come true. The labor is cheap, the laws are bendable, raw materials close by, the cops payable and I know for a fact that what happens is there are some rich powerful families and the rest pretty much live as the underclass. What resembles a middle class is mostly foreigners who have been assigned to Indonesia or do business there.
The ethnic Chinese almost exclusively occupy the upper echelons of society (except politics... but who needs to when you can buy a politician?) and the local populace have almost zero chance of making it to the upper economic echelons.
I can guarantee you, that the VAST majority of us in this forum would be a part of that underclass if that sort of system were to take hold in America. A policeman like 5.56 with a truck that big? That would be a sick joke. So maybe he'll try the private sector... the security guards get paid peanuts.
Many of us here are enlistedmen in the military or were enlistedmen. AF Steliga lives off base and he's a Private. That would be unheard of. He would have to live in a barracks until he became a SNCO. Besides, he wouldn't be able to afford to pay for all of his meals outside anyway.
I would have nowhere to go but into family business.


That's what you're really asking for when you go for these "Tea Parties."
Think your going off the deep end on this.
The original cabinet reflects what the Fed. Govt. is supposed to be doing.
Dept of State & Defence(War & Navy @ the time), Dept of the Treasury, & Post Office.
Things of National importance. The Govt got by on import taxes. Today the Fed Govt intrudes into everything, even telling Cities how tall the letters on street name signs has to be, something that should be handles @ the City or County level.
Somethings can probably be done better by private companies.
No regulation Don't think anyone really wants to go back to Lazie Fare, but we don't need Barney Frank telling companies what the minimum & maximum salaries will be.
No Laws? Seriously, has anyone proposed that? 20,000+ gun Laws @ the Ferd. State & local level is way excessive.Survival of the fittist is different than Rugged individualism vs the Nanny State that Liberals want to impose.
 
Federally, yes. City/county/state, no where near as much.
Oh, yes, it's quite suable.

Guy in town, lives not too far from me. An elderly man, he has a limp, and one morning at about one AM, is stopped at a checkpoint for drunk driving and is arrested. The problem? He only had one beer that evening, seven hours before. He blew a .003 (.08 is the legal limit) and because his eyes were bloodshot (3AM) and he wobbled on the line test (has a limp) he was arrested.

Sued the PD and won quite easily.
 
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Things of National importance. The Govt got by on import taxes. Today the Fed Govt intrudes into everything, even telling Cities how tall the letters on street name signs has to be, something that should be handles @ the City or County level.
Actually those things should follow some kind of law universal throughout the country. It's known as standardization. Import taxes... actually that's somewhat goes against free trade.
Somethings can probably be done better by private companies.
This is definitely true, but others are best left for the government (i.e. Police, Fire Department, Ambulance Services and basic health insurance) as well as mail. The private sector version doesn't go away and for many of us, frees up a lot of money so we can spend it on other things (our private business if we went into that).
No regulation Don't think anyone really wants to go back to Lazie Fare, but we don't need Barney Frank telling companies what the minimum & maximum salaries will be.
Actually sometimes it prevents the industry from bankrupting itself. Did you know that Major League Soccer has a salary cap? It has prevented the teams from spending themselves to death and is quite a healthy league now.
No Laws? Seriously, has anyone proposed that? 20,000+ gun Laws @ the Ferd. State & local level is way excessive.Survival of the fittist is different than Rugged individualism vs the Nanny State that Liberals want to impose.
The line between "rugged individualism" and "survival of the fittest" is very very fine.
All I did was show you exactly where that "rugged individualism" road leads because I've been there and lived it for a few years and have friends and family who live it every day. Fortunately in that system we have turned out to be the winners but we know that had the scenario been even slightly different (i.e. born into a different household of a different race/ethnicity) we may have had a close to 0 chance of succeeding in that environment.
 
My response is in bold.

Actually those things should follow some kind of law universal throughout the country. It's known as standardization. Import taxes... actually that's somewhat goes against free trade.
But there is not any universal law giving the Federal government the power to dictate standardization. They accomplish it through coercion. They force the states to apply the standards or have federal funds cutoff.

And whether you think Import taxes and tarriffs are anti free trade does not matter. As they were the only ways the Federal Government collected revenue until Federal Income Taxes started to be collected, during the civil war.

Does the federal government or state or any government need to force you to wear a seat belt? You should have enough sense to do that on your own. The law of survival of the fittest will eliminate those that are to stupid to not wear seat belts eventually.


This is definitely true, but others are best left for the government (i.e. Police, Fire Department, Ambulance Services and basic health insurance) as well as mail. The private sector version doesn't go away and for many of us, frees up a lot of money so we can spend it on other things (our private business if we went into that).

These things lie within state jurisdiction, they are not in the federal governments area of responsibility.

Don't bring up mail, the USPS is broke and will get worse. Postage for standard letter postage has gone up around 1,500% in 80 years.


Actually sometimes it prevents the industry from bankrupting itself. Did you know that Major League Soccer has a salary cap? It has prevented the teams from spending themselves to death and is quite a healthy league now.

So protecting the fat cats from themselves is a good thing?
Did not work to well for the lending industry in the U S.

The line between "rugged individualism" and "survival of the fittest" is very very fine.
All I did was show you exactly where that "rugged individualism" road leads because I've been there and lived it for a few years and have friends and family who live it every day. Fortunately in that system we have turned out to be the winners but we know that had the scenario been even slightly different (i.e. born into a different household of a different race/ethnicity) we may have had a close to 0 chance of succeeding in that environment.

There are plenty of laws with out the federal government, in fact federal laws are sometimes redundant to state laws. Sounds like you have your own Hatfield and McCoy's feud going on. Having laws on the books won't stop that kind of actions.

Might help if you understood better the relationship of the states to the federal government. The European Union emulates the role of the U S Federal Government.
The countries in Europe have banned together as a Union (Ever heard that term used in regards to the U S). The European Countries have given only certain duties to the Union to accomplish for their common good.

In actuality if 2/3 of the states were to vote to dissolve the Union (Federal Government) it would be dissolved. Won't happen, but the legal basis remains in the Constitution.

So basically if people want to have Tea Parties and try and stop the Federal Government from taking even more control, or want to turn back the clock, this is still supposed to be a free country.
 
Does the federal government or state or any government need to force you to wear a seat belt? You should have enough sense to do that on your own. The law of survival of the fittest will eliminate those that are to stupid to not wear seat belts eventually.
Your lack of basic human compassion astounds me.


So basically if people want to have Tea Parties and try and stop the Federal Government from taking even more control, or want to turn back the clock, this is still supposed to be a free country.
You're right... 13 was just giving his opinion as to why it could be a bad idea... Or is it only a free country for those who agree with your views on it?
 
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But there is not any universal law giving the Federal government the power to dictate standardization. They accomplish it through coercion. They force the states to apply the standards or have federal funds cutoff.
Well, if you want their money, you do have to listen to them. And as for coercion, every law is pretty much coercion. "If you don't listen, you pay a penalty, or you have benefits removed."
Standardizing overall is beneficial. Back when they were first introduced, the rail road tracks had different widths and that led to serious incompatability issues.
Imagine the voltage in every state is different. That would affect not only convenience, but commerce as well.
Or imagine that every state has its own currency.
Standardizing these things isn't stupid. Not standardizing is.
If it's not standardization, rather the way the rules are imposed that's the issue... well that's just reality. All authority, eventually, traces back to the barrel of a gun.


And whether you think Import taxes and tarriffs are anti free trade does not matter. As they were the only ways the Federal Government collected revenue until Federal Income Taxes started to be collected, during the civil war.
May have made sense back before the civil war, but now, import taxes and tarrifs don't help the local economy, rather it hurts it. Some degree of import duty is alright, but if it becomes a very important source of government revenue, it will start to hike and in the end, local businesses that reqiure imported goods to keep the prices of their products down will suffer.

Does the federal government or state or any government need to force you to wear a seat belt? You should have enough sense to do that on your own. The law of survival of the fittest will eliminate those that are to stupid to not wear seat belts eventually.
Good point. But doesn't hurt to get a little income from the idiots who don't buckle up.

These things lie within state jurisdiction, they are not in the federal governments area of responsibility.
And what if the Federal Government feels the State Governments are doing a lousy job that is not up to the standards that is required of the United States?

Don't bring up mail, the USPS is broke and will get worse. Postage for standard letter postage has gone up around 1,500% in 80 years.
Perhaps. But the price of everything has gone up and the speed of mail delivery has gone up too. So has the technology behind sending mail. You can't expect it to cost the same as 80 years ago.

So protecting the fat cats from themselves is a good thing?
Did not work to well for the lending industry in the U S.
Protecting the fat cats from destroying themselves is a good thing because they're so fat that they tend to take things around them with them... like our retirement fund and our jobs for example.

Might help if you understood better the relationship of the states to the federal government. The European Union emulates the role of the U S Federal Government.
Probably. I only lived in the DC Met area so my view of America is pretty heavily Federalized.

So basically if people want to have Tea Parties and try and stop the Federal Government from taking even more control, or want to turn back the clock, this is still supposed to be a free country.
Suppose so. But the goal is to keep America strong and make it a better place to live. The video had the "Join or Die" picture. That's a pretty accurate reason as to why the Federal government wants the states on the same page.


As for Rob, compassion is one thing but keep that in check as well. People take advantage of others' compassion to further their own ends, be it money or anything else.
 
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There is a considerable difference between an Assosiation creating a salary cap, the National Football League has one too, & the Govt imposing one. Frank started off demanding top execs of banks that took TARP money be limited to 500,000$. That may not be unreasonable where they took money (unless you can't get the "Top Dogs" to work to save the Company for that type of money) vs Franks attempt later to try to impose the standard on the whole Industry. Govt capping the high end of salaries is Socialism & goes right into the Democrats Class warfare/envy strategy to attract the torch & pitchfork crowd.
Seatbelts The original reason for mandated use was to save lives but now it is to cut down on "higher health care cost" to the taxpayer caused by mandatory treatment Laws that mean the taxpayers end up footing the bill if someones auto insurance doesn't cover the cost.
 
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