OK we have understood the rationale of China and Taiwan.

May we move ahead?

What is the powerplay with the rest and China.

Lets first finish with the Chinese aspect and then check how the other player fall in place.

OK?

Thanks.

Originally Posted by godofthunder9010

PLEASE tell me that somebody didn't just bring up Taiwan again!!!

For those that hadn't noticed, bringing up Taiwan works like this:

(As in MASSIVE FLAME WAR)

A man of great insight

Taiwan is usually an emotional subect when you've got Chinese in the forum... and when the Chinese get emotional about something it almost always provokes the Americans to counter ending is a massive sausagefest.

Originally Posted by Sexybeast

lol...that is because ppl dont know much about taiwan...and they often spit out ilogical things that just piss others off.....like "china invades taiwan because taiwan is democractic"...who cares if it is democratic.....it is just so insecure for china, just like letting cuba has soviets' missile on it..can americans sleep well??

The reason that Taiwan is an instant flamewar is because China and its people have an absolutely rigidlyclosed mind on the matter. "That island is ours!! Defy us and we will attack anyone and everyone in the world over it!! If we cannot invade it for whatever reason, we will nuke it into oblivion."

Honestly, how do you have a discussion about something if one side only has one possible viewpoint with absolutely no ability for having an open mind. Why do I say that? Because nobody speaking for China is willing to even consider the theory that Taiwan might be better off being independent or that it already truly is independent.

It is so completely pointless, that the sooner this thread is locked, the better.

Originally Posted by 03USMC

The way I read it. It says that Taiwan should choose it's own destiny. And force used by the Peoples Republic would be met as per outlined in the Taiwan realtions Act.

To me that means if Taiwan declares it's indepence which it has every right to do if thats what its people want. And the peoples republic attacks. Then the US is bound by the act/treaty to assist it's Allie. I don't see that as a threat. More of a statement of where the US stands on the issue.

that's funny, u do know taiwan is actually chinese origin? and it was chinese territory since 1400s? chinese settlers inhabited the island.

its like, Texas have more right to be mexico than america, i am sure if texas calim to be mexico, i think america would do the same too.

honestly, u always think other ppl are irrational when ppl dun think it in the american way.

if US want to impose a standard to other ppl, they got ot do it themselves too. ask china to give up tibet? give up texas. Uk should give up northan ireland, scotland and wales too. right, then americans should go back to their european origin and hand trheland back to the red indians.

point is, taiwan would not be better off in its own, its foregn relations are only relying on US and Japan, also china will emarge to be the world's economical and technological power soon. also a country is trying to keep its province together, not to let them go independent just becase they might be better off. somehow westerners dun understand, china control vast amount of land, if taiwan is allow to go independent, other provinces like inner mongolia, tibet etc... would think they would even have more privilage to spearate, since even taiwan is the Han chinese (main group of chinese) are allow to separate, this would encourage other provinces. u got to know,t he countries' main aim is stablilty, a taiwan is a great challenge for china. if a country cannot maintain its stablilty, how would the world think about the strength of the chinese gov?

US would enourage its ppl about taiwan, by using its media staying china abuses human rights therefore taiwan should go independant, but u do know US dun really care about human rights, why not go into africa where there is plenty of genecide, which saddam wasnt even as harsh as those happened in africa.

some how, alot of western ppl critise ppl about other's attitude, but they do not know u r just doing the same. ppl dun get it is that US has never worked for justice, its national interest, just like any other country.

Okay Gingerbread. At the request of the thread starter I'm going to refrain from turning this into a Red China/Taiwan Indepence Pizzing contest. I'm sure however that you are more than capable of doing that on your own.

Originally Posted by godofthunder9010

The reason that Taiwan is an instant flamewar is because China and its people have an absolutely rigidlyclosed mind on the matter. "That island is ours!! Defy us and we will attack anyone and everyone in the world over it!! If we cannot invade it for whatever reason, we will nuke it into oblivion."

Honestly, how do you have a discussion about something if one side only has one possible viewpoint with absolutely no ability for having an open mind. Why do I say that? Because nobody speaking for China is willing to even consider the theory that Taiwan might be better off being independent or that it already truly is independent.

It is so completely pointless, that the sooner this thread is locked, the better.

how about we discussing in favor of terriost attack on U.S?
than u ppl will go nuts....

the problem is that taiwan issue has nothing to debate because it is just too damn unchangeable, and that island is too damn important to China (not because of its stinky money, but its strategic positioin in eastern asia, think about it!)

ok, i dont really care what you people say around here anymore, to further complicate things is something deep and like an unending hole - confucious

OK, FOR ALL THOSE PRO-TAIWANESE PPL, HERES THE FACTS:

US DOES NOT GIVE A DAM ABOUT TAIWAN, ITS PEOPLE, OR IF ITS DEMOCRACY OR NOT, IT DOES NOT CARE

US JUST WANTS A STRATEGIC LANDING IN ASIA CLOSE TO CHINA

US FEELS TAIWAN IS US TERRITORY AND THEREBY DOES NOT WANT ANYONE TO TOUCH IT

ANYONE CARE ABOUT PPL IN TAIWAN, NOT REALLY, HUMAN RIGHTS AND STUFF.. YA, IT BECOMES IGNORED WHEN STRATEGICALLY SPEAKING

countries who support taiwan are either wanting money or wanted influence ove rit

forget about all those we hav ediscussed

taiwan was and is still is chinese territory, historically it has been proven, who has a better right to take taiwan????

NO COUNTRY HAS THE RIGHT to taiwan because simply it is called invasion by countries other tahn china, by china it is unification

those proamericans are also ppl who doesnt give a dam aobut taiwan but only that it is a stregetic landing for us, am i right????

U.S promised the same to south vietnam......but later abandoned them to north vietnamese...


i hope taiwan don't get the same result..

To our Chinesse friends.

Just keep to the reasons as to why Taiwan is strategically important to China and should any other nation (not only the US please) shows interest, how will it impinge on teh Chinese geopolitical interests.

Then move on to other areas with these two issues in view.

Let's not get into a 'war' here in an otherwise peaceful Board.

it really doesn't matter who abandoned who and in the event it matters, do elaborate on the military and political aspects and not leave it hanging without rationale.