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Subject: GUN CONTROL
 
May 15th, 2006  
Italian Guy
 
 
Subject: GUN CONTROL
Well that's right. How much would a pepperball launcher cost and how come is it not that widespread?
May 15th, 2006  
jequirity
 
 
Give Cabal a break guys, so he's not a fan of guns and hasn't used them recently, theres nothing wrong with that. Choosing less lethal ways to defend your home seems logical if u havn't used a gun in ages.
I know if i had a gun i'd probably shoot the loved one accidently because of lack of experience. If the same thing happened but i was using what cabal was using there'd be less chance that my loved one was killed by me. Guns arn't for everybody.

Different strokes for different blokes people.
May 15th, 2006  
deerslayer
 
 
hmmm, it's basically a modified Tippmann 98C paintball gun running on CO2, so probably in the range of $300 or so. Once you get the setup, you're looking at your highest expense being ammo.

Just in case, I wasn't trying to give anyone a hard time. Sorry if I offended unwittingly.
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Subject: GUN CONTROL
May 15th, 2006  
Italian Guy
 
 
Me too, didn't mean to sound rude or offensive, and Jequirity's point stands.
May 16th, 2006  
5.56X45mm
 
 
I'm just an ass. So it's expected from me....

Sorry
May 16th, 2006  
CABAL
 
 
The reason why you don't see that much of these non-lethal weapons around because they have been restricted to several agencies depending on whether the agency itself accepts it. The company that manufactures non-lethal weapons announced that they will soon release this kind of weapon to the public in a few months.

I've sent my letter to show my interests for purchase. They sent me their brochure that suggests the SA10 costs around 250-300 USD.

I was able to get my on hands on other types of launchers in one Showroom in Connecticut but they appear to be too expensive for my tastes.

In terms of self-defense, I think this is the safest way for ordinary citizens to defend themselves.
May 16th, 2006  
moving0target
 
 
Just me, but I'll stick with the more effective (permanent) methods I'm more familiar with.

Quote:
The New American magazine reminds us that March 25th marked the 16th anniversary of Kennesaw, Georgia's ordinance requiring heads of households (with certain exceptions) to keep at least one firearm in their homes. The city's population grew from around 5,000 in 1980 to 13,000 by 1996 (latest available estimate). Yet there have been only three murders: two with knives (1984 and 1987) and one with a firearm (1997). After the law went into effect in 1982, crime against persons plummeted 74 percent compared to 1981, and fell another 45 percent in 1983 compared to 1982. And it has stayed impressively low. In addition to nearly non-existent homicide (murders have averaged a mere 0.19 per year), the annual number of armed robberies, residential burglaries, commercial burglaries, and rapes have averaged, respectively, 1.69, 31.63, 19.75, and 2.00 through 1998. With all the attention that has been heaped upon the lawful possession of firearms lately, you would think that a city that requires gun ownership would be the center of a media feeding frenzy. It isn't. The fact is I can't remember a major media outlet even mentioning Kennesaw. Can you? The reason is obvious. Kennesaw proves that the presence of firearms actually improves safety and security. This is not the message that the media want us to hear. They want us to believe that guns are evil and are the cause of violence. The facts tell a different story. What is even more interesting about Kennesaw is that the city's crime rate decreased with the simple knowledge that the entire community was armed. The bad guys didn't force the residents to prove it. Just knowing that residents were armed prompted them to move on to easier targets. Most criminals don't have a death wish. There have been two occasions in my own family when the presence of a handgun averted potential disaster. In both instances the gun was never aimed at a person and no shot was fired
source:

http://www.mcsm.org/kennesaw.html


Oddly enough, since the law has been on the books, there hasn't been one single child killed, one single gang war, or even a burglar shot. The one shooting involved the wife of a law enforcement official who used his service pistol on him.
May 16th, 2006  
bulldogg
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Italian Guy
Well that's right. How much would a pepperball launcher cost and how come is it not that widespread?
You don't see it and many cops don't recommend it because convicts administer the pepper to themselves. They subject themselves to this crap and build up a resistance so when you shoot them its no more harmful or hurtful than vinegar. I know, I have a cousin who is a habitual felon.

As for my first post and the questions thereof... Its too late for Europe and Europeans to own weapons. Like I said they went down that path already and gave it up, not just physically but mentally as well. Europeans by and large I have talked with at length are resigned to letting "the government handle it" in many many aspects of their lives, protection included. There is a vast cultural rift between the US and Europe.
May 16th, 2006  
Ted
 
 
I won't go into the pro's and contra's of owning guns. I am, however, missing one variable in the equation. So far I have read about the killing of burglars who's holding a knife to your loved one. Everybody just expects to shoot the bead guy, instant death and that's it. No one seems to take into account that you might be the one ending the life of your loved one. I personally would buy my time and appease the guy. Does he want my wallet.. fine. He is holding the upper hand. A burglary is something I'll survive easily, killing my wife/ child..... I don't think so!
May 16th, 2006  
bulldogg
 
 
Doesn't matter Ted, in the states the perp will cap you to leave no witnesses. Dead men don't testify.