Strykers

Rotty261 said:
What does everyone think of the Stryker fighting vehicles? I am over in Iraq as a civilian security contractor and have had the opportunity to ride in and with them and am impressed for the most part.
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Rotty,
Only you or any who has used these vehicles can best comment on them. Most of us are civis or from other armies that don't use the Stryker.
However, from what is known about the Stryker. The main disadvantages seem to be the lack of a gun turret and lack of gun ports for firing the individual infantry weapons.
The Australians seem to be using the 25mm gun turret version.
 
For those that do not know I am no longer in the military but am employed as a civilian security contractor in Iraq. I have only hooked rides in them and used Strykers as escorts in convoys.

But from what I have seen and heard most soldiers really like them. One thing to keep in mind is that most of the soldiers using them are infantry who used to either walk or use hummers and deuce and halfs, so I would bet that most of those guys enjoy using them.
 
For its intended purpose -- rapid APC deployment via highway at faster speeds than possible with a tracked APC with decent armor and some various weapon configurations -- the Stryker fits the bill. I think that you run into the same problem again and again. How do you balance a vehicle like the Stryker "wearing too many hats" vs the need to be versatile?

The Stryker offers far better protection than a Humvee can. It isn't too much slower. Its a bigger target than the Humvee. Tires are easier to take out than tracks, so you have a harder time taking out the Bradley's ability to move than the Stryker. More wheels are harder to take out than less wheels, so its is harder to render immobile than the Humvee. I think the Stryker has a vital role to fill and that it fills it well enough. There are several things that could be improved upon, but that is no different than any other piece of military hardware.
 
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I've done my homework, the Stryker is an awesome vehicle, godofthunder9010 made some good points, but I'm sure a couple of Fedeyeen with RPG's don't agree with that. A BFV or M113 /w an M2 and two M60's will be a little bit better than the Stryker in the street.

I think its more fit for fast hit and runs, not convoy protetion, I have been in a many Stryker and found them, I'd say light? The M113 can be uparmored as can the Stryker but as you uparmor the Stryker its preformance drops, speed, weight ups, not only that the 25mm turret does the same, with a two ton turret and another ton and a half of armor it really slows it. The Stryker closly resembles the Commando series armor vehicle..




M113 Armored Personnel Carrier
M113A1 Armored Personnel Carrier
M113A2 Armored Personnel Carrier
M113A3 Armored Personnel Carrier
M113A4 Mobile Tactical Vehicle Light
M113A4 Infantry Fighting Vehicle
M113A4 Armored Medical Evacuation Vehicle
M113A4 Engineering Squad Vehicle
M113A4 HAZMAT
M113 ACAV (Armored Cavalry Assault Vehicle)
XM734 Infantry Fighting Vehicle
M58 Wolf Smoke Generator Carrier
M106 Self-propelled 107mm Mortar
M114 Command and Recon Carrier
M125 Self-propelled 81mm Mortar
M132 Flamethrower
M163 Vulcan / PIVADS
M548 Cargo Carrier
M577 Command Post Carrier
M579 Fitter Repair Vehicle
M667 Carrier, Guided Missile Equipment
M677 Carrier Guided Missile Equipment (Lance)
M688 Carrier Guided Missile (Lance)
M727 Guided Missile Carrier (Hawk)
M730 Guided Missile (Chaparral)
M752 Missile Launcher (Lance)
M901 Improved TOW Vehicle
M981 Fire Support Team Vehicle (FISTV)
M1015 EW Shelter Carrier
M1059 Lynx Smoke Generator Carrier
M1064 Self-propelled 120mm Mortar
M1068 Command Post System (SICPS)
M1108 Universal Carrier


Stryker Interim Armored Vehicle
Medium Armored Vehicle (MAV)
M1126 ICV - Infantry Carrier Vehicle
M1127 RV - Reconnaissance Vehicle
M1128 MGS - Mobile Gun System
M1129 MC - Mortar Carrier
M1130 CV - Commander's Vehicle
M1131 FSV - Fire Support Vehicle
M1132 ESV - Engineer Support Vehicle
M1133 MEV - Medical Evacuation Vehicle
M1134 ATGM - Anti Tank Guided Missile
M1135 NBCRV - NBC Recon Vehicle
 
Cadet Airman Adam Seaman said:
I think its more fit for fast hit and runs, not convoy protetion, I have been in a many Stryker and found them, I'd say light? The M113 can be uparmored as can the Stryker but as you uparmor the Stryker its preformance drops, speed, weight ups, not only that the 25mm turret does the same, with a two ton turret and another ton and a half of armor it really slows it. The Stryker closly resembles the Commando series armor vehicle..
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well, the NZLAVS have the turret, and one of them past my G/f at highway speeds the other day (100kph)

personally i think a RPG is going to mess up ANY personel carrier short of the tank conversions the isreali's have made.
 
One benefit of the M113 was it used to be an easy vehicle to repair and maintain.....M3 Bradley was a pain in the butt for PMCS or busting track out in the middle of no where....aw them was the days... :D
 
chewie_nz said:
Cadet Airman Adam Seaman said:
I think its more fit for fast hit and runs, not convoy protetion, I have been in a many Stryker and found them, I'd say light? The M113 can be uparmored as can the Stryker but as you uparmor the Stryker its preformance drops, speed, weight ups, not only that the 25mm turret does the same, with a two ton turret and another ton and a half of armor it really slows it. The Stryker closly resembles the Commando series armor vehicle..
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well, the NZLAVS have the turret, and one of them past my G/f at highway speeds the other day (100kph)

personally i think a RPG is going to mess up ANY personel carrier short of the tank conversions the isreali's have made.
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uparmored hummers can take em too right?
 
Well the whole point in not having a 25mm turret on the Stryker is that the Commando series had one and the gun and ammo tookup lagre amount of room and where very prone to grenade and cocktail attacks.

Someone said a Stryker /w a 25mm passed their g/f at high speeds. Did it have its combat armor on? Did it have all its ammo? Did it have its full crew? Whaqt it being fired upon by Fedeyeen?

Another thing about the Stryker is it doesn't carry spare tires, the M113 carries spare track.

(Forgive mean if I seem rude and disrespectful. It's hard to debate when you don't know what ppl have done or been through or who is the real deal and who's not.)
 
Cadet Airman Adam Seaman said:
Well the whole point in not having a 25mm turret on the Stryker is that the Commando series had one and the gun and ammo tookup lagre amount of room and where very prone to grenade and cocktail attacks.

Someone said a Stryker /w a 25mm passed their g/f at high speeds. Did it have its combat armor on? Did it have all its ammo? Did it have its full crew? Whaqt it being fired upon by Fedeyeen?

Another thing about the Stryker is it doesn't carry spare tires, the M113 carries spare track.

(Forgive mean if I seem rude and disrespectful. It's hard to debate when you don't know what ppl have done or been through or who is the real deal and who's not.)
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the NZLAV that passed my G/f's car last week had a full load of soldiers, but, i assume, no ammo. we have no need to hang extra armour/ RPG sheilds off them. as for the '13 carrying extra track, how would that make a difference? if it's in a situation of having a track blown off...how would they replace it?

not trying to attack you cadet, just interested! personally i thought the money NZ spent on the NZLAV's would've been better spent on bringing the '13's kicking and screaming into today. but by the same token i see why the NZLAV's were a good idea too.
 
Yeah, I remember my ex-army boss telling me the worst part of his job was driving out on the practice range and fixing broken Bradley tracks in the middle of the summer heat.
 
I can't not say for sure what the Strykers top speed is with full battle rattle and loaded with soldiers. However I have been in them and followed them through Iraq and have hit speeds over 60 mph. All of them have the armor and RPG fence around the outside and enough soldiers to defend a convoy so I would say they are pretty well loaded down. I have spoke with several soldiers that drive/ride in them and they claim the Stryker will hit speeds of over 70 mph. I am looking for some hard documentation of top speed but have not found a lot yet, more t come.

The armor system on the Strykers (with the external 'RPG Cage') is supposed to be capable of stopping RPG-7 rounds, 14.5mm armor piercing rounds, and 152mm overhead artillery fire. All of this is dependent upon having the cage and extra add on armor though. Here is a link that has quite a bit of information about them.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/ground/iav.htm
 
Since the ASLAV's have run flats with solid cores, it doesn't matter so much for changing them. My mate had the 4 mid section tyres on his LAV shot out in Baghdad, and drove it at full belt to a convoy crash they were responding to, got there and back fine... needless to say the tyres were un-repairable and very very hot, but they didn't impare performance at all.
 
Well... In Canada, we have LAV 3's.... which are the same as the Aussie's in fact we pioneered them. It is the same as a Stryker except as mentioned before it has a bushmaster 25mm chain cannon on it. It is very fast, as has a hell of a lot of fire power. I drove one for 2 years and they are a great piece of kit. With add on armour and the "war" chip which increases the horsepower to compensate for the add on armour, it can get almost anywhere quickly and give direct fire support. I had my LAV up to 120km's per hour. They survived mine strikes in Eritrea and manoeuvered easily on the small streets in Haiti. Also the thermal sights are a great asset. I think if they are used in the correct role they could be considered the best vehicles in their class.
Without the 25mm on top in my opinion puts it at a great disadvantage. So I can understand if people who use the American version instead of the Canadian/Aussie don't like them.
 
Charge_7 said:
It takes a heck of alot longer to fix a broken track than replace a tire.
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Yes, but where do you put the replacement tire on the LAV?

Can't find the Stryker specs. Must be classified? Well I know the Marines carry the LAV-25, the LAV /w the 25mm chaingun.

I have no problem with the Stryker, I just find it quite light for combat with RPGs and other ATMs. Arm it with a 20mm or 25mm and a few weapons ports and maybe a lillte more armor and a powerful engine, and that would be a mean machine.


http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/ground/m113-specs.htm


Look at this. I was looking at the topic: Stryker survived 500 pound bomb.
http://strategypage.com/gallery/articles/military_photos_2004101123.asp


General: M113A4

Length 191.5"
Width 105.75"
Height 86.5"
Clearance 16"
Weight, combat loaded 27,180 lb. (12,329 kg)
Maximum weight 31,000 lb. (14,061 kg)
Net weight 23,880 lb. (10,832 kg)
Air drop weight 22,128 lb. (10,037 kg)
Personnel capacity 2 + 11
Fuel tank capacity 95 gallons (360 liters)
Ground pressure 8.63 psi (0.60 kg/cm2)
Performance

Speed on land 41 mi/h (66 km/h)
Speed in water, with track 3.6 mi/h (5.8 km/h)
Cruising range 300 mi (483 km)
Turning radius Pivot to infinite
Slope 60%
Side slope 40%
Trench crossing 66 in. (168 cm)
Vertical wall climbing 24 in. (61 cm)
Braking (20-0 mi/h) 40 ft.
Engine

Make and model Detroit Diesel 6V53T
Displacement 318 in.3 (5.2 liter)
Fuel Diesel (DF2)
Rated horsepower 275 hp
Gross horsepower-to-weight ratio 20.2 hp/ton
Transmission, Automatic

Make and model Allison X200-4B
Type Hydrokinetic
Steering Hydrostatic
Brake type Multiple wet plate
Running Gear

Suspension Torsion bar
Road wheels 5 per side, 24 inch diameter (61 cm)
Track type Steel single pin, detachable rubber pad
Number of shoes 63 left, 64 right
Track pitch 6 in. (15.2 cm)
Track width 15 in. (38 cm)
Shock absorbers 3 per side
Wheel travel 9.0 in. (22.9 cm)
Electrical System

Generator
Amperes 200, 300 optional
Volts, dc 28
Batteries 4, type 6TL, 120 amp-hr, 12-volt each
Armament

50 cal MG 2,000 ready rds.
Armor

Basic hull 5083 Aluminum
Bolt-on armor kit Steel armor
Mine armor Steel armor
Gun shield kit Steel armor
Spall suppressant Composite panel
Fire Extinguishers

Fixed 5 lb. (2.3 kg) CO2 for engine compartment
Portable 5 lb. (2.3 kg) CO2
 
Have we even defined what the roll of the Stryker is in the American military?

I mean, if it is only for support and more 2nd line and rear line duties then arn't the claims for more armor and weapons wrong?

The only stryker kind of stuff I've heard is like the (crap what's her name!?!) the chick from the mechanical brigade who'se convoy was attacked at the beginning of the war and she was captured and later rescued. Yeah, that mechanical convoy where using Strykers.

So if the stryker is pretty much rear-line only then it seems very suited for its job.

But the question is... is it?
 
Whispering Death said:
The styker seems better to me than the M113 but not as effective as an M2/M3
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Depends on what you want to do. The Stryker can go a lot faster than the Bradley. The Bradley has better protection. Both are APC's, aphibious and have variant weapons configurations suited for different circumstances.
 
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