Stolen valor / valour ( Walts )

If they can't produce anything, assume they are fake.
Trust me, NO ONE, throws away their service or discharge papers.

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Exactly. And I can do the same as well.

What I find amazing is how many "vets" criticize me for my minimal training (I ain't got diddly doo haa for training, really), I have been asked for a copy of my FULL DD-214 (not the little snippet for employers) and in several cases for a summary of my medical recors (since it was a medical-based discharge). Yet they refuse to show me ANYTHING on their discharge?

A good number of them are/were Vietnam vets, or claimed to be. I recall getting into argument after argument with these "'Nam vets" (if they really were), they would be all torn up and upset over being forced into serving in 'Nam, and I'm like, "I'm sorry they drafted you. I don't think the draft were right for that conflict under those circumstances", only to hear them (EVERY single one of them, in fact) say "I wasn't drafted, I enlisted". I nearly die laughing! I won't laugh at the atrocities of war, not even the Vietnam conflict. But I laugh when people get all bent out of shape because they enlisted but they didn't want to go to war. Hey, no one likes war. Only ones that do are (in my opinion) sick and demented. War is hell. But enlisting and then hating the service because they had to go to war, that's like going to the beach and expecting to not get sand in your shoes. Might happen and it might not, but you can't complain if it happens. If you don't want to get sand in your shoes, don't go to the beach.

I enlisted, not to go to war, but to help keep peace. Never was fortunate enough to go overseas, but then, if called, I'd go without complaint. I wasn't there to debate policy, but to be trained and follow lawful orders.

NOTHING is worse than these dirtbags that make claims of being something they aren't. Is it really stolen valor? Well, it's not exactly stolen and no one loses anything. But they are acquiring what they have not earned.
I served, and I can verify I served (and offered such verification to the moderators of this group).

IMO those who cannot/will not verify such to those of verified/qualified authority should have their nuts cut off and shoved down their throats.
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Which leads me to ask for your insight, 13 (and others)- if some jack*** demands to see your DD-214, do you guys show it? I can see employers, colleges, and even in some circumstances law enforcement, but the average common man? How would you tell who the other vets are? I've known a couple guys that could talk the talk, but they never served. Likewise there are those (such as myself) that don't remember diddly squat.

Me, I carry a blacked out version of my DD-214 in my wallet. It shows it's wear, but if anyone smart enough to understand what is blacked out, they also know why. Also, in most instances I'm not sure IF I have any obligation.
 
the_13th_redneck said:
If they can't produce anything, assume they are fake.
Trust me, NO ONE, throws away their service or discharge papers.
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I have never thrown mine away,well,... not to my knowledge, however I seriously doubt that I could find it any time soon, if at all.

I have a few bits 'n' pieces to show that I served, but that's about it. If people need to know they can go and find it for themselves, it's all held by the Government I don't see why I should have to cart it around. Anyone can look up the records in the National Archives.

In 34 years I've never been asked for it, so it's hardly what I'd call a vital piece of information. Half of it is accessible by the public on the internet.

I'd love one of these self imposed "would be if could be" policemen to start demanding that I produce evidence of my service or discharge, by the time I'd finished with him he'd have such a "stinko" on his hands he'd think that he'd accidentally wiped his nose with used toilet paper.
 
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I can even produce my call up papers, most of these are on the web any way on the British Small Wars site
 
Here they issue small pocket sized ones for your wallet.
If anyone has a doubt, I can show it.
I think folks should carry it around if they intend to say "yeah I served" or anything because it certainly cuts down on any of the awkwardness.
 
LeEnfield said:
I can even produce my call up papers, most of these are on the web any way on the British Small Wars site
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Now that,... I do have. I was cleaning out some old stuff after my mother died, and found it under the lining paper in a dresser draw. It's faded and a bit crinkled but all the gory details are there.
 
It's possible if you are pretending to be someone who served several decades ago to people who are obviously too young to relate to that time period.
But to trick current servicemen about being in the service now or even just a few years ago... that I gotta see. Some dudes apparently pulled it off well and I wonder how they did it.
 
Yeah, there was this one older guy I met not too long ago who was passing himself off as an ex-professional badass. Unfortunately for him I knew more about it than he did. Unless they're getting paid I really cannot understand what is in it for these people, I'd be ashamed to accept praise and honor I haven't earned. From the point of view of this civilian, it's pretty damn funny how they humiliate themselves. The disrespect is not.
 
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Wallabies said:
Impossible.
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As said, possible, with the likes of Shortt ( :rambo: ) during the pre inter-net days when 'authenticating' was no where near as easy it is today via the net.
He's going down by mouse as others are starting to do.
Thanks for the debate fellas. :rock:
 
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IIRC didn't shortt claim in one of his so called defense waffles sometime ago now, that he has never stated he has any military service and that it was simply other people who made those claims when someone else allegidly authored shortts CV in another country that he claims had no control or part in?

Well, I'm sure it's been covered before, but, clearly this is a written claim & documented statement authored & signed by shorttshite himself... home.earthlink.net/~rg...short.html

Quote shortt: The Baron of Castleshort has an extensive and varied military background. From 1975 he was Director of Training for The Combat Training Team, with responsibility for training Regular & Reserve NATO forces in Combat skills (Close-Quarter-Battle, Combat Survival and Combat Medicine). Following service with elite military units he was contracted to train specialist units in both anti-terrorist and counter-terrorist skills, including training units of the United States Army and Air Force in 1980, - 1983 The Belgian Para-Commando Regiment, 1987/88 - NIFA Mujihadeen, 1988/89 The Swedish Defence Forces). From 1983-1987, James was Director of Projects for Special Training Services under Vice-Admiral Sir Peter Austin and fielded counter-terrorist projects in Algeria, Nigeria, Kuwait and The United States of America. unquote

Is it not a case that counter terrorist projects in the field during the 80's would have been the exclusive role of military & law enforcement agencies, after all it was still a cold war era.

Very interesting to note shortt obtained contract work with the US Army & USAF after he claims military service with elite units (Para & SAS is elite of which he has done NO service or completed any basic training). Surely it is a criminal offense under US Federal law to obtain work & money from the US Government/ US Tax payer by means of Fraud & Deception, even by a non US citizen entering on to US soil has to comply with US laws.

Maybe one the experienced contributors can confirm for me(us), if US law is enforced & must be complied with, whilst on a US base in any country, as the base it self is US soil, a bit like a embassy, & once stepped outside the boundaries of a US base it then falls back into the civil laws of that particular country.

Would this be correct?
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As said, possible, with the likes of Shortt ( :rambo: )
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I've talked to people and figured out in 2 minutes that they are full of ****. What they do wrong is at first they tell all their war stories, whereas people who have served usually have a good ***** about all the **** things first.
 
You're learning Wallabies, you are learning,... I must agree.

I think that the people who are fooled by these idiots are the type that like to stretch the truth about themselves as well and can't easily tell the difference. Actually I think they are often more pissed of at the fact that the bogus blokes have better bullsh!t stories than they do.

I've noticed that the longer these type of blokes have been out, the better it was "when they were in", and the more incredible their "wild warries" become, they just never learn how to get a real life for themselves on the outside.

I think it's just sad.
 
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No man by that name and alledged background have ever trained nor adviced the Swedish CT unit(s).
Esp not the years claimed there in that article...Full stop.

//KJ.
 
KJ said:
No man by that name and alledged background have ever trained nor adviced the Swedish CT unit(s).
Esp not the years claimed there in that article...Full stop.

//KJ.
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That makes this all the more interesting then. (Kings Guard Sweden


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I have a very hard time believing this guy has trained any US forces.

I am pretty shocked this oxygen thief is alowed to walk around in relative peace. The UK is one of the select few of nations whos national idenity was forged by the blood and sweat of its warriors. It bothers me that your government is alowing him to get away with this. This does not sound like the UK I learned about in grade school. I would love to knock his fake ass off that horse.... ****in punk..
 
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Big_Z said:
I have a very hard time believing this guy has trained any US forces.

I am pretty shocked this oxygen thief is alowed to walk around in relative peace. The UK is one of the select few of nations whos national idenity was forged by the blood and sweat of its warriors. It bothers me that your government is alowing him to get away with this. This does not sound like the UK I learned about in grade school. I would love to knock his fake ass off that horse.... ****in punk..
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Did I post this one ??
http://www.arrse.co.uk/wiki/James_Shortt's_Dodgy_Uniforms_and_Medals#.22Shortt_Orders.22

With reference to the government allowing him, they wouldn't admit it! and there lies the problem!! ( niether will the FBI. USMC etc etc bla bla bla )
 
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