Originally Posted by I3BrigPvSk

I must say, your Queen doesn't seem to be nice. You must tell your buddy to be careful. The MI 5 Will be looking for him now

He's probably in the Tower as we speak. At least he wont have top pay the exorbitant entrance fee.

Originally Posted by BritinAfrica

He's probably in the Tower as we speak. At least he wont have top pay the exorbitant entrance fee.

The maintenance guys will find him when they rebuild a wall in a few hundred years from now

Originally Posted by I3BrigPvSk

Yes, that is quite impressive when Germany as a country is in an European context, pretty new. Bismarck played a vital role in the creation of Germany.

Without Bismarck, Germany would also exist .The Deutsche Bund existed already in 1815 .

Originally Posted by lljadw

Without Bismarck, Germany would also exist .The Deutsche Bund existed already in 1815 .

Bismarck or somebody else had worked hard on an unification of the German speaking states. It began much earlier than that, the nation building began after the Thirty Years War, not only for Germany, for entire Europe.

The major German speaking power in a post-Charlemagne Europe was the Austrian, the Habsburgs. The Napoleonic wars and later the Austrian-Prussian war reduced the Austrian Empire. Bavaria fought on the Austrian side in the war, but they were defeated by the Prussians. Prussia increased its power over central and northern Europe after the war with Denmark and France

Originally Posted by lljadw

Without Bismarck, Germany would also exist .The Deutsche Bund existed already in 1815 .

While there was a strong desire by Germans for a German state very early in the 19th century the closest they got was Napoleon's Confederation of the Rhine, it took Bismarck to make Germany a reality so while it is realistic to say Germany would have come about without Bismarck it is also pointless as Bismarck made it happen.

Bismarck is for me probably one of the most influential and interesting characters of the last 200 years, although in ships I still preferred the Prinz Eugen.

I'll change the subject. If I begin with a famous quote "One small step....a giant leap for mankind"Some of you (BritinAfrica) remember the Lunar Mission. The next step is probably Mars with a delay when the price tag for a mission to Mars can be quite costly. Is it worth the money to send people to Mars? Would you go to Mars if they asked you if you want to go?


Do you agree with the Russians won the space race, they launched the first satellite and the first human in space was a Russian.

Originally Posted by I3BrigPvSk

I'll change the subject. If I begin with a famous quote "One small step....a giant leap for mankind"Some of you (BritinAfrica) remember the Lunar Mission. The next step is probably Mars with a delay when the price tag for a mission to Mars can be quite costly. Is it worth the money to send people to Mars? Would you go to Mars if they asked you if you want to go?

If Stephen Hawking is correct then we have to leave the planet or die out.

https://www.space.com/38695-stephen-...ave-earth.html

I still believe that the key to travel within our Galaxy and further is a moonbase to launch expeditions from as it would be safer and easier to build/assemble the craft there than in space and as the moons gravity is a lot less than earth you would need less fuel so craft could be smaller or devote more room to carry resources.

Do you agree with the Russians won the space race, they launched the first satellite and the first human in space was a Russian.

It comes down to what you believe the end goal of the space race was, for the Americans it was going to the moon primarily because they didn't win any other aspect of it so they just kept moving the goal posts until they won one and then declare the race over.

I recall a quote from one of Russian Generals running their space program where he said Russia didn't need to go to the moon because they received all the data from the American landing at almost the same time as the Americans.

There was also the amusing but untrue quote about the space pen and while untrue does sort of indicate the difference in the way both countries think issues through.

When NASA started sending astronauts into space, they quickly discovered that ball-point pens would not work in zero gravity.
To combat this problem, NASA scientists spent a decade and $12 billion developing a pen that writes in zero gravity, upside-down, on almost any surface including glass and at temperatures ranging from below freezing to over 300 C.

The Russians used a pencil.

Your taxes are due again — enjoy paying them.

I think the Russian won the space race when they were the first up there.

It's probably the next evolutionary step for the humanity to leave Earth. We need to find another planet to screw up

Oddly Mars is the next logical choice because as the sun expands Mars theoretically could move into the "Goldilocks" zone.

https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-Goldilocks-zone

I don't think so, but it depends on how much the sun expands when it turns to a red giant. I have read articles about when the fusion in the sun ends and it expands. The articles are all assumptions and some of them argue the sun will swallow the Earth and if it does that. Mars will not be in habitable zone (it is now at the outer boundary of the habitable zone)

Other solutions might be going to Jupiter's two moons Europa and Io. There is a problem to handle if the humanity moves to them as well. We may can protect ourselves from the lethal radiation in the universe, but I think think we will respond well to the immense gravitational pulls from Jupiter.