Soviet Russia...

A Can of Man

A Can of Man

Je suis aware
There is full employment — yet no one is working.
No one is working — yet the factory quotas are fulfilled.
The factory quotas are fulfilled — yet the stores have nothing to sell.
The stores have nothing to sell — yet people got all the stuff at home.
People got all the stuff at home — yet everyone is complaining.
Everyone is complaining — yet the voting is always unanimous.
 
When it recovers folks who work for it will get their chance. Right now, it's time for most of us to cut down on expenses.
 
the_13th_redneck said:
Capitalism doesn't smash me.
You must really suck at making a living.
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Im just supporting Russia, seeing as I am yet to see a SINGLE post or thread that supports Russia/Soviet Union [Not that I agree with some stuff that they are doing]

Personally, I dont care about Communism or Capitalism.
 
Zastava-Arms said:
Personally, I dont care about Communism or Capitalism.
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Maybe because although your heart is with Communism, you know it doesn't work and therefore can't really support it. And though Capitalism seems to be the only system working right now, it's so ugly sometimes that it's hard to actually feel good about supporting it.


BTW, supporting someone because no one else is, is really a stupid thing to do.
 
Personally I think the best system is in between Capitalism and Socialism. Both systems have advantages and disadvantages.

Capitalism by its very nature is exploitative. In order to get ahead, it requires that others fall behind. And unfortunately the system has become jaded as of late. It used to be if you worked hard you would get ahead. But now even if you do work hard you might not get ahead. Basically those that have money now will make more and those that don't will make less. And that chasm between rich and poor is getting wider.

Both the French and Russian Revolutions got started this way. People at the bottom got tired of starving while watching others grew very fat.Samething could happen in America unless some redresses the economic unbalance.

Zastava

I would hardly call the Russians smashing Capitalism, they seem to be adopting it very quickly. Who is buying all the English Sports teams, are they not Russians?
 
mmarsh said:
Personally I think the best system is in between Capitalism and Socialism. Both systems have advantages and disadvantages.

Capitalism by its very nature is exploitative. In order to get ahead, it requires that others fall behind. And unfortunately the system has become jaded as of late. It used to be if you worked hard you would get ahead. But now even if you do work hard you might not get ahead. Basically those that have money now will make more and those that don't will make less. And that chasm between rich and poor is getting wider.

Both the French and Russian Revolutions got started this way. People at the bottom got tired of starving while watching others grew very fat.Samething could happen in America unless some redresses the economic unbalance.

Zastava

I would hardly call the Russians smashing Capitalism, they seem to be adopting it very quickly. Who is buying all the English Sports teams, are they not Russians?
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Ahh, you mean like the way my old country ran during Tito? That was sort of between Capitalism and Socialism, but leaning more to the latters side.


Also, I said SOVIET Russia, not just Russia. They are called Soviet Russia joke's [Some of them are pretty funny].

Maybe because although your heart is with Communism, you know it doesn't work and therefore can't really support it. And though Capitalism seems to be the only system working right now, it's so ugly sometimes that it's hard to actually feel good about supporting it.


BTW, supporting someone because no one else is, is really a stupid thing to do.
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Are you suggesting that im a Communist? Typical, Im not surprised.

And I follow my heart, im very fond of some Russian equipment [Such as the Stechkin and Su-35].

So I guess im a Communist, since I like a ruddy Stechkin and a ballerina-dancing Sukhoi?
 
mmarsh said:
Capitalism by its very nature is exploitative. In order to get ahead, it requires that others fall behind. And unfortunately the system has become jaded as of late. It used to be if you worked hard you would get ahead. But now even if you do work hard you might not get ahead. Basically those that have money now will make more and those that don't will make less. And that chasm between rich and poor is getting wider.
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Actually it's interesting you mentioned that. There is this condition which I've heard being called the Cameroon effect: when hard work no longer leads to a higher quality of life, people actually stop trying.
I've seen this happen in Indonesia for example.
The Chinese own practically everything of value and practically all important "officer" jobs are held by Chinese people. The local Indonesians can't get themselves promoted to any of the important decision making positions in the major companies that matter and so the incentive of working hard is very small. Yet, Indonesia is probably one of the best examples of a near pure Capitalistic society I have actually seen. It's still a bit far from the model but closer than even the United States is.
It's the same attitude towards education. They do not value education so much because what they learn in the classroom will have very little to do with what they will be doing once they have to hit the work force. In fact, the earlier they get to work the better because they'll be working for a few more years.

A middle ground does have to be found.

Like healthcare that's like America's where you have to fork out a fortune after waiting 8 hours in the ER for a very basic treatment is not a good system.
But neither is having a completely free healthcare system that discourages people to take care of themselves, has people seeking treatment for the most trivial matters (and therefore making the lines longer) and also puts a huge burden on the country's tax money.
 
"The rich get richer & the poor get poorer" is a cleche' (sp?), @ least here in the US. It wasn't back in the old days of Laze faire capitalism. Simular, to a degree, is the Merchantile system where the King (or in modern times the Dictator) gives all the financial advantages to his buddies. South America was(still is?) affected by the remnants of the Merchantile system & the Lefts ability to blame capitalism in general for it. Capitolism is what made the US a great country, many other counrties have abundant reasorces, yet lag far behing because of adopting the wrong economic model. Obama in Europe last week commented on how Kenya had a larger economy than South Korea when his dad 1st went to the US, & how it is far behind now. He seems oblivious to the fact that Kenya has a socialist model vs capitolism in S.K.
 
I think you should really read it better.
Between socialism and capitalism, I lean heavily in favor of capitalism. Unfortunately when left unchecked, it does have its issues with social mobility etc. In the beginning it's not so obvious because there's a lot of spots at the top to be had. But once the major players find their place and dominate the market, free trade capitalism is overrun by a series of monopolies.
You can't even really say that South Korea's model during its development was truly capitalistic. There was no real free competition, rather it was planned by the government and contracts and orders were issued to major industries. They worked together in that sort of way. Actually in a way they were fuelled not only by their own need for wealth and power but also by a sense of patriotism. It was why major industrial companies could actually yield for one another over certain projects.
It worked brilliantly at the time.
If you're not sure what I'm referring to, it's mostly President Park Jung-hee and the major conglomerates we know today that managed to pull it off.
America also gave Korea a huge break in allowing South Korea to tax imported goods quite unfairly while buying Korean made goods with minimal taxes. In terms of pure capitalism, that is actually a violation.
That system was great in boosting the wealth of a country in a short period of time, but it didn't do much justice to a population now far wealthier and better educated than their previous generation. A move to a more capitalistic approach was required and did take place to a degree.
In many of the examples which show a hybrid of capitalistic and socialistic systems working together, there has been a lot of success. I talked about the medical service in South Korea. I still have to pay for my medical bills and for those not considered crucial like checkups for people who aren't old, I have to foot the whole bill. But for almost everything else, the government subsidizes it as a part of a national insurance plan.
I still have to pay enough so that I don't want to make the trip for trivial matters, but allows me to still be able to afford treatment when I need it. Unlike in countries where it's free and every swinging dick clogs the system and in countries where it's so expensive that you ponder wearing syrofoam to work.

Again, the solutions don't exist as a one concept or one punch line solves all. It's a complex ballet of multiple concepts and ideas that need to be balanced to find the correct formula. And over time, with changing social dynamics, these solutions will have to be updated with the times because what worked twenty years back doesn't necessarily work today.
 
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Don’t speak about advantages of Communism If you have never lived there or not having in touch in soviet empire.
I m happy not be born in this evil empire, I was born in free Georgia but my parents and my grand parens and all my forefathers lived in it for many times and they endured the crime of communism.
There were no human rights, no free press, no law-courts, people were shot or prisoned without trial, without being at law with. And why? Because they want freedom, because they were telling the tru face of communism, because they were intelligent and they analyzed their country system did not work well. If you were a producer and wanted to make a film, at the first time it would be seen by communists before publication. Everywhere was censorship.
There was absolutely no private property, wheares, every liberal states declare –personal property is inviolable. Private property is one most important human right.


Though, in the constitution of soviet empire was declared human rights it was only plural intrigues to make foreigners going wrong. There was declared that every republic has choice, to leave soviet union but this was only written words on paper,.
For example, in 1989 april my countryme(basically young students made a peacfull demonstration-they wanted to leave soviet union. Sadly, anti-Soviet demonstration was dispersed by the Soviet armyresulting in 20 deaths and hundreds of injuries. April 9 is now remembered as the Day of National Unity.

Communism was utopia. It never would be live.
It was forbidden to go to foreign country. Whay? You would not have seen how people were living here, how free and liberal they were.
Soviet union had only one progress, it was in military, that was absolutely military union.
Some hundreds million innocent people were killed by communist hangmen.

****ing **** putin who says that dissolution of soviet union was geopolitical catastrophe of 20th century.

Ill hope it never will be renewed.

“my heart belogs to my country, my soul belongs to God, my carrion belongs you, hangmen, make what you want”…(this wrd belongs our patriarch who was shotby communists)

Long alive freedom and liberty
 
the_13th_redneck said:
There we have it Zastava. There is your answer.
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What do you mean, there is my answer? I agree with stranger, the USSR was a total hole.

Jesus christ your so typical. "Ohai I like da Sukhoi" BAM COMMUNIST!

"Ohai I wanna go to Mosc.." BAM COMMUNIST

"Did you guys see Vla..." BAM COMMUNIST

"Im looking to find some old Soviet Poste..." BAM COMMUNIST

"Did you read about the Red..." BAM COMMUNIST

"To be honest the 9x18 isnt..." BAM COMMUNIST

"I think Belgr..." BAM COMMUNIST

"T-90 aint actual..." BAM COMMUNIST

Saint F*cking Michael.
 
For what they're doing for their own country, nothing tops the Russian Government. Yes, they're being nasty if you're politically active in the opposition, but if you're Ivan Citizen you're loving it. Or, at least it was until the economy collapsed...
 
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