South Africa World Cup 2010... and the shooting's already started

[BritinBritain]

If you or anyone you know are considering attending the 2010 Soccer World Cup in South Africa, think again.

Only 70 miles from a 2010 World Cup football stadium, a farmer's wife and a boy aged 13 learn to defend themselves with lethal weapons. They say thousands of white landowners have been killed by Zimbabwe-style marauders; their black rulers accuse them of belligerence and right-wing tendencies. Aidan Hartley reports on the war of words you won't read about in your World Cup holiday brochure.

By Aidan Hartley

Bella wakes. She hears a strangled, gurgling sound. It’s the dog, she thinks.

‘Peter, there’s something wrong,’ she says to her husband. Noises emerge from the room of her mother-in-law, who’s 98 and confined to a wheelchair.
It’s 1am. Bella gets up and walks out of the bedroom. In the hall she sees a young man who at first she thinks is her son. Except he’s black, wears a balaclava and is pointing a gun at her.
‘He comes for me,’ says Bella, her hand before her tear-stained face.

‘He’s going to shoot me! I trip as I run back to the bedroom. Peter comes to the door but he has nothing in his hand, no pistol. I hear a gun go off. I hear my mother-in-law screaming. I lock the door and telephone my son. I tell him: “I think they shot Pa!”’
Two men are outside the bedroom window with a rifle. She loads the pistol Peter keeps by the bed.

‘I take the gun and say, “Come on! I’ll shoot you!”’
Back in the hall she finds Peter dead, a trail of blood across the kitchen floor. Her mother-in-law Gerda is bruised and beaten.

‘I can’t tell you how hopeless I felt,’ Bella says. ‘I will see it in front of me for weeks, months, years.’



For the rest of the story:-

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/mos...Africa-World-Cup-2010--shootings-started.html

 

[Rob Henderson]

I was weary about this decision from the beginning...

 

[Wallabies]

I had a friend in school who had recently arrived in Australia from South Africa. He told me all the awful things that go on. I seriously think that the whites in South Africa should form their own country or wind up like Zimbabwe.

 

[A Can of Man]

Yeah seriously.
A Rhodesia 2.0 of sorts.

 

[5.56X45mm]

What a shame.......

First Rhodesia and now South Africa....

Both were two well to do nations. Yes, they had their flaws but they were economically well to do. Had a good health care system, good educational system, currency, industry, government protection of rights, etc....

Is race related rule correct? No, of course not and neither is Apartheid. But that would have changed anyways.....

Rhodesia fell because of the western world's hate against them for some strange reason and South Africa has fallen also because of it. Sadly now both nations are being run by socialistic communist dictators.

BritinAfrica, you need to beat feet out of their ASAP and come on over to Sunny Florida or another fine conservative State like Oklahoma, Texas, Montana, etc..... We'll welcome you and yours with open arms and big hearts.

 

[MontyB]

What a shame.......

First Rhodesia and now South Africa....

Both were two well to do nations. Yes, they had their flaws but they were economically well to do. Had a good health care system, good educational system, currency, industry, government protection of rights, etc....

Is race related rule correct? No, of course not and neither is Apartheid. But that would have changed anyways.....

Rhodesia fell because of the western world's hate against them for some strange reason and South Africa has fallen also because of it. Sadly now both nations are being run by socialistic communist dictators.

BritinAfrica, you need to beat feet out of their ASAP and come on over to Sunny Florida or another fine conservative State like Oklahoma, Texas, Montana, etc..... We'll welcome you and yours with open arms and big hearts.

So we are passing 60 years of institutionalised racism off as a "flaw" now?

Rhodesia fell because 400,000 immigrants were running a country and denying the 4 million indigenous people the vote.

South Africa fell for exactly the same reasons.

Well I guess if noting else it is clear Florida produces some interesting drugs.

 

[A Can of Man]

To be fair 70 miles is a fair bit of distance away. Wouldn't call it "only 70 miles," especially if you had to try running it. Considering that a Marathon is 26 miles.

 

[Rob Henderson]

What a shame.......

First Rhodesia and now South Africa....

Both were two well to do nations. Yes, they had their flaws but they were economically well to do. Had a good health care system, good educational system, currency, industry, government protection of rights, etc....

Is race related rule correct? No, of course not and neither is Apartheid. But that would have changed anyways.....

Rhodesia fell because of the western world's hate against them for some strange reason and South Africa has fallen also because of it. Sadly now both nations are being run by socialistic communist dictators.

BritinAfrica, you need to beat feet out of their ASAP and come on over to Sunny Florida or another fine conservative State like Oklahoma, Texas, Montana, etc..... We'll welcome you and yours with open arms and big hearts.

Just don't try to fly a South African flag in your office.

 

[5.56X45mm]

So we are passing 60 years of institutionalised racism off as a "flaw" now?

Rhodesia fell because 400,000 immigrants were running a country and denying the 4 million indigenous people the vote.

South Africa fell for exactly the same reasons.

Well I guess if noting else it is clear Florida produces some interesting drugs.

Did I say that Apartheid was okay? Nope.... let me double check just to make sure.

Is race related rule correct? No, of course not and neither is Apartheid. But that would have changed anyways.....

Of course it's a flaw..... just as Jim Crow laws were a flaw in the USA. That has been corrected and last time I checked it's now happening the other way around in some places here in the USA.

I truly believe that both Rhodesia and South Africa would have been better off if their internal populations resolved their issues without international interference. Both the Soviet Union and Communist China supplied and supported the partisan movements in Rhodesia and the South Africa. Both nations had their issues and those issues would have been corrected by their own people just as the civil rights movement corrected many of the issues here in the USA.

Last time I checked.... New Zealand doesn't have a clean history either with the local populations. So how about you get off you high and mighty horse and step on down to my level.... or did you forget that am I minority within the USA? I deal with racism and race issues all the damn time.

Just don't try to fly a South African flag in your office.

Actually if I flew it many folks would think I'm flying it because I support Nelson Mandela. Hell, most folks don't even know what South Africa's flag looks like.

 

[Rob Henderson]

That was towards BritinAfrica. And it was a joke.

 

[A Can of Man]

That was towards BritinAfrica. And it was a joke.

I think Rob is making a reference to that article before about the oversized stars and stripes that became an issue in a particular office.

 

[MontyB]

Did I say that Apartheid was okay? Nope.... let me double check just to make sure.



Of course it's a flaw..... just as Jim Crow laws were a flaw in the USA. That has been corrected and last time I checked it's now happening the other way around in some places here in the USA.

I truly believe that both Rhodesia and South Africa would have been better off if their internal populations resolved their issues without international interference. Both the Soviet Union and Communist China supplied and supported the partisan movements in Rhodesia and the South Africa. Both nations had their issues and those issues would have been corrected by their own people just as the civil rights movement corrected many of the issues here in the USA.

Yes and concentration camps were a "flaw" of the Germans, if we had left Germany alone I am sure the problem would have corrected itself in 10 or so years.

Your desire to play PC over two of the most appalling societies of the 20th century to push your usual agenda is somewhat sad.

Last time I checked.... New Zealand doesn't have a clean history either with the local populations. So how about you get off you high and mighty horse and step on down to my level.... or did you forget that am I minority within the USA? I deal with racism and race issues all the damn time.

Really I am prepared to bet that it is cleaner than most though.

As far as climbing down to your level I am sorry to say I am an evolutionist we tend to prefer climbing up not down.

 

[Wallabies]

Rhodesia fell because 400,000 immigrants were running a country and denying the 4 million indigenous people the vote.

And look at how good the country is now.

South Africa is a racist state towards whites these days. They have racial quotas in there sporting teams and no white man will ever be elected president. This sudden shift to black power has ruined the country and now many blacks are living in worse conditions than they were when apartheid was in.

 

[MontyB]

What did you expect after a couple of centuries of colonial rule?

But regardless of what the future holds for Zimbabwe and South Africa the future of these countries is now in their own hands as it should be for all.

 

[A Can of Man]

What did you expect after a couple of centuries of colonial rule?

Hong Kong, Singapore, Malaysia, Indonesia and Egypt are actually not doing too shabby. Hong Kong and Singapore are actually doing very well. India's not that great on an average level but still they're not exactly anyone's idea of a disaster story and overall as a country posess a lot of power.

But regardless of what the future holds for Zimbabwe and South Africa the future of these countries is now in their own hands as it should be for all.

True but their problems are never just their own problems.

 

[MontyB]

Hong Kong, Singapore, Malaysia, Indonesia and Egypt are actually not doing too shabby. Hong Kong and Singapore are actually doing very well. India's not that great on an average level but still they're not exactly anyone's idea of a disaster story and overall as a country posess a lot of power.



True but their problems are never just their own problems.

On the contrary their problems are their own and they are not insurmountable this is born out by nations such as Singapore and India who have taken their independance and built on it to the point of having a strong, stable, prosperous and well educated nation.

There is no doubt that colonialism did these countries few favours but at the very least it left them with a working infrastructure.

 

[A Can of Man]

And South Africa doesn't have an infrastructure?
They had made many achievements, including in the medical field, have a modern city in Johannesburg etc.
Those guys inherited a modern country and pretty much destroyed it.
Whereas other countries have gotten their act together and used what they learned from colonialism to make their countries better, these guys have reverted back to their old ways that let them get colonized in the first place.

 

[MontyB]

So are you saying racism and minority rule is acceptable because they built a modern country?

In the end if they want to revert to tribalism and live in grass huts that is their choice.

Some countries did learn from colonialism but it is very clear that Africa didn't but that does not mean they do not have the right of self determination.

 

[BritinBritain]

WOW, my post certainly did stir the pot.

I had a friend in school who had recently arrived in Australia from South Africa. He told me all the awful things that go on. I seriously think that the whites in South Africa should form their own country or wind up like Zimbabwe.

The Western Cape is the only province in South Africa that isn't run by the ANC. There is a new party called “Cape Independence Party,” formed by people who want to break away from South Africa and become an independent state. The party manifesto is non racist with emphasis on advancements based on merit and not skin colour. A point to consider, 24% of all the revenue collected from various taxes is actually spent in the Western Cape, the remainder is spent by government propping up ANC run provinces.

One of the main problems in South africa under the ANC, apart from the corruption, is their penchant for putting people in top jobs based on skin colour, people who are incapable of carrying out those jobs, instead of putting people in jobs based on merit.

What a shame.......

First Rhodesia and now South Africa....

Both were two well to do nations. Yes, they had their flaws but they were economically well to do. Had a good health care system, good educational system, currency, industry, government protection of rights, etc....

Is race related rule correct? No, of course not and neither is Apartheid. But that would have changed anyways.....

Rhodesia fell because of the western world's hate against them for some strange reason and South Africa has fallen also because of it. Sadly now both nations are being run by socialistic communist dictators.

BritinAfrica, you need to beat feet out of their ASAP and come on over to Sunny Florida or another fine conservative State like Oklahoma, Texas, Montana, etc..... We'll welcome you and yours with open arms and big hearts.

I didn't like apartheid at all, I didn't agree with it, but what must be understood South Africa was once the only shining light in Africa after Rhodesia was taken over by Mugabe. The results of which we see today. South Africa under the ANC is heading the same way as Zimbabwe. Many blacks have told me that they were better off financially under the old apartheid government. Contrary to a lot of propaganda, blacks in South Africa were cared for, with free health and education in well run hospitals and schools, as well as opportunities for employment. Your comment that both nations are being run by socialistic communist dictators is spot on. The ANC like to progandise that South Africa is a democratic country, when in fact their idea of democracy is like the DDR or East Germany. We do have a constitution, but quite frankly its not worth the paper its written on, the ANC ride roughshod over the constitution on an almost daily basis. I could give a lot of examples but the list would be far too long.

Take my word for it, I'd move to Florida tomorrow, but unfortunately at present its not an option financially. Besides which I'd need some sort of employment, if I didnt have some sort of work I'd go stir crazy. At my age who would employ me, specifically in the gun trade when there are plenty of US citizens who could be employed before me? OK, I might have more knowledge then most/many/a lot of regarding African big game hunting, but how many Americans actaully go big game hunting in Africa these days?

So we are passing 60 years of institutionalised racism off as a "flaw" now?

Rhodesia fell because 400,000 immigrants were running a country and denying the 4 million indigenous people the vote.

South Africa fell for exactly the same reasons.

Well I guess if noting else it is clear Florida produces some interesting drugs.

Not true regarding South Africa. When the Dutch landed in what is today the Western Cape, there were no black tribes whatsoever, only bushmen. The bushmen moved north to the Kalahari which is situated today in Namibia. The closest black tribe was the Xhosa situated over 500 miles away to the northeast. When the Dutch began colonising the Cape, the back tribes moved down from their lands.

Just don't try to fly a South African flag in your office.

IF I did work in an office in the US, I would put up the US flag certainly not the ANC South African.

 

[A Can of Man]

So are you saying racism and minority rule is acceptable because they built a modern country?

In the end if they want to revert to tribalism and live in grass huts that is their choice.

Some countries did learn from colonialism but it is very clear that Africa didn't but that does not mean they do not have the right of self determination.

No, my point is I'm pissed off at the whole "blame colonization" BS and let's hope all the problems they're going to cause don't end up biting us in the back. South Africa's got a few important ports and it'd be a shame to render them useless due to instability. Or worse, have pirates running all over the Cape of Good Hope.

Not true regarding South Africa. When the Dutch landed in what is today the Western Cape, there were no black tribes whatsoever, only bushmen. The bushmen moved north to the Kalahari which is situated today in Namibia. The closest black tribe was the Xhosa situated over 500 miles away to the northeast. When the Dutch began colonising the Cape, the back tribes moved down from their lands.

That's what I thought too but I am not an authority on South Africa so I couldn't really say.
Most of the black population in South Africa came for the jobs so in effect, came later than the Dutch did. At least, that's the way I heard it. I have a feeling that a lot of these folks who came after the Dutch did are simply using the whole "indigenous" BS to try to get the upper hand.