Soldiers in Stadiums?




 
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February 6th, 2009  
ObjSRgtLw
 
 

Topic: Soldiers in Stadiums?


Hey all.
I noticed that some soldiers were present during the opening celebration of the Super Bowl XLIII. The General of US Central Command, to present 'all the military servicemen around the world' and an honor guard (?) just before the national anthem.
In Germany that would be unthinkable and if, certainly the crowd wouldn't raise their applause. Maybe one reason is that, compared to America, Germany doesn't have so many people who have relatives in the mil. Service. If, what my friend told me is true, it is forbidden by German law to have Soldiers in a Stadium because of provocation- endangerment. I'm not quite sure with this- I couldn't find any info on that via the Internet. Anyways- during the soccer world cup in Germany it was discussed to use Soldiers for safety matters, which was heavily denied. Of course it's one thing to present them and honor them and another to use them for safety matters.

I personally was very impressed by the way Americans integrate and honor their military in such an important moment for the nation. (And you'll agree that Super Bowl is an important event- numbers of viewers prove that). One could say that in America it is perfectly normal to combine religion, military and sports or anything else. In Germany, sadly (to my mind), that is not possible. Also the USA, compared to Germany, is much faster at hand to employ National Guard within the country- a big no go in Germany (Natural catastrophes excluded ).
So the question/ discussion is, if it is a good thing to integrate military into a (civilian) sports-event. And if it should be allowed to use Military for safety matters in a stadium/ for matters within the country- or, in any case, 'only' to honor them and to think of them?

P.S.: Amazing how that one big guy ran over the whole field and scored a touch down and needed oxygen after that .

Correction: Military in Stadiums is allowed in Germany, and I do remember the Military Music corps playing the national Anthem, for the discussion about the use of Military for safety during the World Cup the above is true (provocation issue etc.)
February 6th, 2009  
SHERMAN
 
 
In any democracy using military for police work is not looked well uppon. But when there is a major event/disaster that is too big for law enforcement to deal with, there is no choice. I know that in my country, and this is usually true for any country, no other organization can put as much people, gear and supplies on the scene as fast as the military.
February 6th, 2009  
Wallabies
 
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I know that in my country, and this is usually true for any country, no other organization can put as much people, gear and supplies on the scene as fast as the military.
Don't have to pay soldiers overtime as well.
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February 6th, 2009  
03USMC
 
 
Soliders, Marines, Airman, Sailors, Coastguardsmen serving as Honor Guards or being present for ceremonies at sporting events here is nothing new. You see it all the time and for presentation of the colors it's almost traditional in many venues, San Diego, DC and Jacksonville come to mind.

The San Diego Padres usually make tickets available for free to a couple of Companies of Marine Recruits from MCRD every year and they go in uniform. The Padres also have cut rates for military personnel.

As far as using the military for extra security in these venues. No it can't be done. It's a violation of the Posse Comitatus Act. However, National Guard Units can act as security under the direction of the Govenor of the State. National Guard if not Federalized can be tasked with enforcing Civil Law at the discreation of the Govenor.
February 7th, 2009  
ObjSRgtLw
 
 
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Originally Posted by 03USMC
Soliders, Marines, Airman, Sailors, Coastguardsmen serving as Honor Guards or being present for ceremonies at sporting events here is nothing new. You see it all the time and for presentation of the colors it's almost traditional in many venues, San Diego, DC and Jacksonville come to mind.

The San Diego Padres usually make tickets available for free to a couple of Companies of Marine Recruits from MCRD every year and they go in uniform. The Padres also have cut rates for military personnel.
Be thankfull that you have that, I truly envy you. Well i think it's quite normal if you have such a long (and successfull) history of wars since the colonisation.
February 7th, 2009  
Wallabies
 
Well 40 years ago it was not like that. Now days it's political/social suicide to have a go at any soldier/sailor/airman.
February 17th, 2009  
Duty Honor Country
 
 
Last night at the Nashville Predators (NHL) it was Military Monday. Anyone who was in the military or served got tickets for $20 no matter where the seat was at. The color guard was USMC and the National Anthem was sung by an E-6 in a NG Army Band (with a mustache that violated AR 670-1). Each period the crowd applauded all us veterans. It was pretty nice.

I like going to sporting events on days like Memorial Day, Armed Forces Day ect ect ect. Most stadiums do a really good job honoring the military.
February 17th, 2009  
Gebirgsjäger
 
 
It's interesting to see that their's a contrast as to how society perceives those who serve. Here, in Canada, for the most part, the majority of population has very little contact with those who do serve. The presence of a soldier in uniform is generally a seldom seen event and when seen, it is rather an odd sight.

As far as I know, soldiers are discouraged from going to public houses, bars, clubs, whatever in uniform.
February 18th, 2009  
SHERMAN
 
 
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As far as I know, soldiers are discouraged from going to public houses, bars, clubs, whatever in uniform
bars are an entirely diffrent thing. WE have a 1 drink maximum allowed on uniform. To have any alcohol even a formal on base thing, you needa Ltc to agree and sign it off. Not that we dident have any deviations from that, but as a general rule it applies
February 18th, 2009  
Duty Honor Country
 
 
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As far as I know, soldiers are discouraged from going to public houses, bars, clubs, whatever in uniform.
The same is true with some exceptions. Without a doubt you are not allowed into such places in ACU's. The exception being when there is a formal event like the 4th BCT ball that is coming up this summer. I heard stories of the single Officers hitting up places to impress the girls in their dress uniforms. Rumor has it I will be put in charge of something related to the ball. I hear there will be an open bar
 


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