Soldiers flee to Canada to avoid Iraq duty
bulldogg
Milforum's Bouncer
It is an all volunteer Army, when you sign up, you forfeit the right to pick and choose when and where you will obey orders.
If Canada protects these people the US should cut them off from all the assistance we provide non-gratis for the defence of Canada.
No offence intended to the members of the forum from Canada.
If Canada protects these people the US should cut them off from all the assistance we provide non-gratis for the defence of Canada.
No offence intended to the members of the forum from Canada.
Airborne Eagle
Active member
Actually, the rate of desertion is far lower than during the previous administration (i.e. "peacetime"). This article was recently published in USA Today (exerpt below):
http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2006-03-07-deserters_x.htm
Desertion numbers have dropped since 9/11. The Army, Navy and Air Force reported 7,978 desertions in 2001, compared with 3,456 in 2005. The Marine Corps showed 1,603 Marines in desertion status in 2001. That had declined by 148 in 2005.
The desertion rate was much higher during the Vietnam era. The Army saw a high of 33,094 deserters in 1971 — 3.4% of the Army force. But there was a draft and the active-duty force was 2.7 million.
Desertions in 2005 represent 0.24% of the 1.4 million U.S. forces.
Opposition to the war prompts a small fraction of desertions, says Army spokeswoman Maj. Elizabeth Robbins. "People always desert, and most do it because they don't adapt well to the military," she says. The vast majority of desertions happen inside the USA, Robbins says. There is only one known case of desertion in Iraq.
Most deserters return within months, without coercion. Commander Randy Lescault, spokesman for the Naval Personnel Command, says that between 2001 and 2005, 58% of Navy deserters walked back in. Of the rest, the most are apprehended during traffic stops. Penalties range from other-than-honorable discharges to death for desertion during wartime. Few are court-martialed.
Here's a chart they present:
http://images.usatoday.com/news/_photos/2006/03/06/desertionsdrop.jpg
http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2006-03-07-deserters_x.htm
Desertion numbers have dropped since 9/11. The Army, Navy and Air Force reported 7,978 desertions in 2001, compared with 3,456 in 2005. The Marine Corps showed 1,603 Marines in desertion status in 2001. That had declined by 148 in 2005.
The desertion rate was much higher during the Vietnam era. The Army saw a high of 33,094 deserters in 1971 — 3.4% of the Army force. But there was a draft and the active-duty force was 2.7 million.
Desertions in 2005 represent 0.24% of the 1.4 million U.S. forces.
Opposition to the war prompts a small fraction of desertions, says Army spokeswoman Maj. Elizabeth Robbins. "People always desert, and most do it because they don't adapt well to the military," she says. The vast majority of desertions happen inside the USA, Robbins says. There is only one known case of desertion in Iraq.
Most deserters return within months, without coercion. Commander Randy Lescault, spokesman for the Naval Personnel Command, says that between 2001 and 2005, 58% of Navy deserters walked back in. Of the rest, the most are apprehended during traffic stops. Penalties range from other-than-honorable discharges to death for desertion during wartime. Few are court-martialed.
Here's a chart they present:
http://images.usatoday.com/news/_photos/2006/03/06/desertionsdrop.jpg
Marinerhodes
Active member
They are lower than the lowest of the low. Cowardly mongrels that they are. I agree with bulldogg in part. I would futher stipulate that we should institute some form of agreement with Canada that they send our criminals back to us.
They do not have to desert from the US to avoid duty overseas. There are procedures in place in the military for people that refuse to obey lawful orders. It is called a Courts Martial and most often times will result in a Dishonorable Discharge and leave your name off the Federal Wanted List.
They do not have to desert from the US to avoid duty overseas. There are procedures in place in the military for people that refuse to obey lawful orders. It is called a Courts Martial and most often times will result in a Dishonorable Discharge and leave your name off the Federal Wanted List.
The Cooler King
Godfather
In the United States Military, desertion is punishable by death. I believe a little justice is in order.
Marinerhodes
Active member
The Cooler King said:
I had originally included that in my post but I did not want to detract from the posters topic by getting into a human rights discussion.
phoenix80
Banned
They are cowards... They should have thought of going to war when they signed up to join the armed forces.
I guess they just wanted the military to fund their education and they wanted to take advantage of the service but well, they didnt know about the hard part of the service :-D
I guess they just wanted the military to fund their education and they wanted to take advantage of the service but well, they didnt know about the hard part of the service :-D
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Vilodja
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That is hilarious, if you dont want to go to Iraq just discharge.
Marinerhodes
Active member
RAInf said:
It isn't as simple as that. But those are pretty much my sentiments.
PJ24
Active member
RAInf said:
Like MarineRhodes said, it isn't that easy. In the US military, you sign a contract, you are bound by that contract to serve until you have completed your term of enlistment. In other words, once you sign the papers, you can't just quit becomes things aren't going as you like.
For the military to simply discharge them would result in a huge loss of money. The Fed govn't spends a lot of money on these guys from processing to training. It also sends out a weak message if you're allowed to quit at any time with no recourse.
Marinerhodes
Active member
Missileer said:
Still won't make me happy. I say lock em up in Leavenworth or other military prison for the remainder of their contract. Then BCD them and let them find their own way home.
Marinerhodes
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5.56X45mm said:
I could go for the caning that I heard about a number of years ago. Can't remember where I heard about it tho.
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Vilodja
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PJ24 said:
Then why are these jube ****s joining the Army if they are not prepared to go on operations?
Marinerhodes
Active member
RAInf said:
Many of them don't think things all the way through I guess. They go in thinking it is a free ride to college and don't think of anything else they may have to do along the way.