Socialism and Capitalism correctly defined

You might be right on the numbers but our soldiers weren't the ones pulling the trigger!
And imo opinion the churcs still kills! Telling millions of people not to use contraception in an area where HIV rules supreme is condemning to death all the same.

And for Gladius: I call honestly asure you that our government doens't have absolute power by a million miles. Bush has so much more political clout then our pm, our ministers and queen combined. Socialist (in your eyes, yes; absolute power, not in their wildest dreams.

But my question is: have we gotten any closer to defining socialism and capitalism. I kinda lost oversight when we started talking numbers and mass killing.
 
Rabs said:
Thank you Ted I ment the Iraqi government.

Even though if that doesnt work out im not opposed to US control.

I see.

What circumstances would you call "not working out"?

Blackwatch said:
Bulldog< why do you run the colors of communist red china, why not taiwan?
Probably because he lives in communist red china, not taiwan.
 
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I see.

What circumstances would you call "not working out"?

Full scale civil war, or them decideing to cut off oil shipemnts to the US, if it was up to me we would take the amount of oil thats equivelant to the cost of the war.
 
Ted, those Americans soldiers responsible for that war crime at Mei Lai were tried and convicted and, later pardoned (which I never agreed with but it wasn't my call). Lt. Calley had to be protected by American MP's so he could simply stand trial, other soldiers were going to kill him...as a matter of fact, a US Army helicopter pilot ordered his crew to train their guns in his copter on the soldiers that did that series of killings to protect those villagers NOT killed and survived....
 
I'm sorry if I rattled your cage Blackwatch. I used this example to relay this argument:

And Srebrenica (=Socialist Government of the Netherlands) outdoes My Lai by some thousand victims.

As if we were the ones shooting the Muslims in that place. I know that many of the atrocities commited by armed forces are done out of many reasons related to war. War is that nasty creature that brings the darkest things out of men. By now means do I hold the US army in contempt... never did and never will. (Although I do like to fence with them while arguing, but that is a different ball-park :) )
 
Ted said:
Our soldiers weren't the ones pulling the trigger!

No they weren't. Your soldiers were the ones sitting idly by and watching. Accomplices.
They should have been the ones pulling the trigger instead, but again the Serbs.
 
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Ohhhh, that's gotta hurt!
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Italian Guy said:
No they weren't. Your soldiers were the ones sitting idly by and watching. Accomplices.
They should have been the ones pulling the trigger instead, but again the Serbs.

That is such an easy shot.... see Bulldogg picture above. Suicide missions have been very rare eversince the penal battalions of the Germans and Russians were done fighting WW II. You know very well that when a group of UN soldiers are outgunnend, outmanned, surrounded and not helped by any "allied" support they are not going to sit by and get massacared. The Italians wouldn't do it either and I dare say; so wouldn't the US Marines. I know of few people who would say: "well the inevitable happened anyway but luckily we had the chance to sacrifice our own men in the process". Srebrenica was doomed a long time ago.
I was opposed to the mandate from the very start. And I firmly believe if we had sent in our Marines with their heavy mortars, our field artillery and a few of our Leopard II's it would have been another tune. We didn't and we failed the ones we were supposed to protect. But don't make it a 1,2, 3 were all Dutch soldiers should just had gotten themselves killed!
 
I surely agree UN ROEs are definitely useless. IMO the UN itself is useless or worse, dangerous.
But how a group of soldiers can accept to watch a massacre like that, watching innocent young men getting killed, and not intervening is beyond me. But then this is totally off-topic.
 
Ted, you didn't rattle me at all...I was setting the record straight....Mei Lai is a prime example just why US soldiers, sailors and airmen are taught ROE which are strictly enforced....Mei Lai happened mostly to the President (LBJ) was running the war in Vietnam instead of theater commanders ON SITE....plus guerrilla operations and counter-operations require MATURE leadership and enforcement of ,and by, the will by the commanders to be fruitful.

A UN soldier's reactions depend greatly depend on what country they are orginally from....it has been my experience that those countries that hold their politicans to high or very high standards have excellent and innovative militaries....(Britain, Japan, France, Netherlands, U.S, ect...)
 
Rabs said:
Full scale civil war, or them decideing to cut off oil shipemnts to the US, if it was up to me we would take the amount of oil thats equivelant to the cost of the war.

So that would make you an Imperialist. Because they didn't choose to "buy" your war.
 
Because they didn't choose to "buy" your war.

They would then receive a big "tough oats." They might not of chose the way but they dont seem to mind rolling in the benefits of it.
 
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