Socialism and Capitalism correctly defined

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FutureDevilDog said:
India is not a Socialist country. From what I gather from the CIA Factbook it is set up much like the US. It has seperate "states" and is a republic. I would consider it a Federal Republic.

Now people are really Confused here ........ Yes India is a Fedral Republic .......... Yes India is a Democracy ......... And it's Some what like USA ....... The Ruling Parties are Not Left parties ......... But The Constutution is Socialist .

Btw India is a [SIZE=-1]sovereign, socialist, secular, democratic republic .......... The Constitution of India states India to be a sovereign, socialist, secular, democratic republic ........ India is a federal republic.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/India
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Hi,

Italian Guy said:
Don't forget the couple of communist marxist parties that are part of the government majority, though.

Yes They are Regional Parties ....... It Dosen't have to be ruled By Left parties .......... Previous Government was by B.J.P which is as Right Winged as any Political Party can get ......... but Still India was a socialist Country :pirate2:


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I think I am Indian then: a conservative, right wing socialist. First we collect all wealth and then let the masses fight it out to see who gets what. The hardest worker and strongest get the most. Off course there's no gun control and then we'll see what happens.... and as federal government we won't intervene! :)
 
Cadet Seaman said:
I can do it, but I won't. I just wanted to see your reaction. Remember Russia was a Socialist nation, and look at the masses that died.
I think the best definition of Communism is "A Communist nation is nothing more than a Socialist nation with a dictator."

LOL? My sig just said "The Queen buys Cadet Seaman".

Might be true, but im not sure that a socialist state with a dictator automaticly forms into a communist state, soviet had a dictator that was brutal.
 
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This has been a interesting thread, as many here have said what I have said along, socialism and communism and left wing politics within the U.S. are interlinked and that the world is still on the road to world-wide socialism....I have gotten into 'fights' on other forums stating the views said here....

examples of the current communist/socialist goals as stated from 1963....

5. Extension of long-term loans to Russia and Soviet satellites.
6. Provide American aid to all nations regardless of Communist domination.
11. Promote the U.N. as the only hope for mankind. If its charter is rewritten, demand that it be set up as a one-world government with its own independent armed forces.
12. Resist any attempt to outlaw the Communist Party.
13. Do away with all loyalty oaths.
14. Continue giving Russia access to the U.S. Patent Office.
15. Capture one or both of the political parties in the United States.
16. Use technical decisions of the courts to weaken basic American institutions by claiming their activities violate civil rights.
17. Get control of the schools. Use them as transmission belts for socialism and current Communist propaganda. Soften the curriculum. Get control of teachers' associations. Put the party line in textbooks.
18. Gain control of all student newspapers.
19. Use student riots to foment public protests against programs or organizations which are under Communist attack.
20. Infiltrate the press. Get control of book-review assignments, editorial writing, policymaking positions.
21. Gain control of key positions in radio, TV, and motion pictures.

Any of this sound familiar?.....while it is true not all socialists are not communists, it is true all communists are socialists....the many leaders within the US house, senate,entertainment and academic positions are declared socialists, which is one or two steps away from communists and their control....I also believe there is more and more evidence that U.S. socialists within the U.S. are actively working with Islamic fascists to destroy the U.S.

Anyway, that is my two cents worth....won't amount to much as I am just a country boy and not many pay attention to "we'uns" anyhow....till we are pissed off....you can take a boy out of the hills, but you cannot take the hills out if the boy....
 
.I also believe there is more and more evidence that U.S. socialists within the U.S. are actively working with Islamic fascists to destroy the U.S.

Please share?

Most of the Democrats in congress are idiotic sure, but 95 percent still want the best for the United States, I just disagree with them on what that is.
 
Welcome aboard Blackwatch. Interesting post to say the least. I do however have a comment or two. Unfortunatly I am at work right now and I'll need my complete afternoon to get this done. I owe you on this one. But just a little one then:

13. Do away with all loyalty oaths.

What about loyalty to the party and the Rodina, the Motherland?
 
Italian Guy said:
In my bad bad capitalist country run by bad nasty multibillionaire tycoon head of conservative government 12.5 million people do not pay any taxes because they fall within the no-tax area.

Wow. I could swear you once said Berlusconi was the best Premier Italy has had in ages. I am either confusing you with some other Italian guy, or what you meant was that Berlusconi sucks ass, but his predecessors were worse.
 
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Just I think the government needs to have control of the oil wealth in Iraq, does that make me a Nazi?



Most definitely NOT. It makes you an imperialist in my book :wink:
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Hold on here Mohmar, Rabs didn't say a foreign government should take control. So let's just give him the benefit of the doubt and wait with the imperialistic thing for just a bit longer!! :roll:
 
while I am truely NOT trying to pick a fight with anyone, I would like to point out more people have died directly under socalism than any other political system devised since the middle ages in Europe....the Soviet Union killed more of it's own people than was killed by the Nazi's from WW2....the PRC under the "Cultural Revolution" killed millions, from street whores to housewives....the NKA killed thousands, whole families, by excution after the capture of Seoul and excuted hundreds of captured Allied troops, many American....the socialist/communists routinly do not take enlisted prisoners unless special value (ie...SF and Ranger, or SEAL)....sorry, but to me if you say 'you' are a socialist, you either are, or can potentionally be, my enemy, and I will keep my eyes on you....and to those of you who say you aren't my enemy or have no desire for war, let me remind you I saw the bodies of innocent villagers excuted because the tribal leaders wouldn't give up any young men, or rice, or money for taxes to the 'peaceful' socialists....

As bad a capitalism is at times with the greed and evil by SOME men or women, it is NOTHING compared to the harmed caused by socialism or fascism....both are the same thing, as both are idea's that will kill you to prove they are right, and you are wrong, dead wrong....and socialists will smile in your face as he cuts your throat.....
 
Ted said:
Hold on here Mohmar, Rabs didn't say a foreign government should take control. So let's just give him the benefit of the doubt and wait with the imperialistic thing for just a bit longer!! :roll:
Thank you Ted I ment the Iraqi government.

Even though if that doesnt work out im not opposed to US control.
 
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Blackwatch said:
while I am truely NOT trying to pick a fight with anyone, I would like to point out more people have died directly under socalism than any other political system devised since the middle ages in Europe....the Soviet Union killed more of it's own people than was killed by the Nazi's from WW2....the PRC under the "Cultural Revolution" killed millions, from street whores to housewives....the NKA killed thousands, whole families, by excution after the capture of Seoul and excuted hundreds of captured Allied troops, many American....the socialist/communists routinly do not take enlisted prisoners unless special value (ie...SF and Ranger, or SEAL)....sorry, but to me if you say 'you' are a socialist, you either are, or can potentionally be, my enemy, and I will keep my eyes on you....and to those of you who say you aren't my enemy or have no desire for war, let me remind you I saw the bodies of innocent villagers excuted because the tribal leaders wouldn't give up any young men, or rice, or money for taxes to the 'peaceful' socialists....

As bad a capitalism is at times with the greed and evil by SOME men or women, it is NOTHING compared to the harmed caused by socialism or fascism....both are the same thing, as both are idea's that will kill you to prove they are right, and you are wrong, dead wrong....and socialists will smile in your face as he cuts your throat.....

You have confused "socialism" with "communism" they are in fact NOT the same thing.
 
BullDog, I disagree....they are of the same mindset....a socialist is a lighter, 'pinker' form of hardcore 'red' communist....you imply I don't know what I am talking about....I do know and have been under the threat of socalism and communism all my life....both are intertwined....
 
....sorry, but to me if you say 'you' are a socialist, you either are, or can potentionally be, my enemy, and I will keep my eyes on you....and to those of you who say you aren't my enemy or have no desire for war, let me remind you I saw the bodies of innocent villagers excuted because the tribal leaders wouldn't give up any young men, or rice, or money for taxes to the 'peaceful' socialists....

I am sorry to inform you that I am a socialist. I haven't had the time to take part in any mass executions yet, but we haven't had so many of those in the Netherlands lately.

And on that second bit: I have seen the photo's of, for example My Lai. These weren't socialists who done that. I do admit that the execesses done by Stalin, Mao and Hitler are truelly horrifyig. But you know what institution has also built up quite a reputation when it comes to slaughter? Look at the Church during the ages. Or have a peak at some "capitalist" dictators, who also knew their stuff when it comes to mass killings.

Imo it is the corruption of absolute power that is the motivator and not so much the ideology.
 
Well communism wins the macabre contest by any measure, Ted.
And Srebrenica (=Socialist Government of the Netherlands) outdoes My Lai by some thousand victims.
Plus, the Church stopped killing indiscriminately a couple of centuries ago. Socialism and communism still do to this day. Fidel Castro proudly calls himself 'socialista', and so does President of Belarus Lukashenko.
 
3 of the top 4 biggest mass murderers in the 20th century (possibly the history of the world) have been Communist.

Hitler only ranks 3rd biggest mass murderer.

That tells you something, when 3 out 4 of the biggest mass murderers were Communist.

Ted said:
Imo it is the corruption of absolute power that is the motivator and not so much the ideology.
That is why the best system to insure against this is a capitalist democracy. Even though capitalist who make it big like billionaires, end up being greedy or whatever. Although they may have influence, they DO NOT have absolute power. Because of the way it inheretly functions no one can have absolute power.

In a socialistic system those socialist who make it big and rule the government, have absolute power.
 
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