Socialism and Capitalism correctly defined

Alex,

Socialism: governemnt ownership

Communisnm: governemnt ownership

Nazism: government ownership

Communitarianism: government ownership

Fascism: government ownership

Different brand names for the same product. Why do you keep insisting that there is a difference?
 
localgrizzly said:
Alex,

Socialism: governemnt ownership

Communisnm: governemnt ownership

Nazism: government ownership

Communitarianism: government ownership

Fascism: government ownership

Different brand names for the same product. Why do you keep insisting that there is a difference?
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Because there is. Each gov't may have control, but each takes control and rules differently.

It's like saying all Choclate bars are the same, when they of course are not.
 
It's interesting to see the complications that arise when folks try to compare and contract political and economic systems. Granted, there are economic elements to most political systems and vice versa. But national socialism is fundementally a political system with economic elements, capitalism is an economic system that is optimized when implemented within a democratic political system.
The "socialism" that most of the posters are describing is a "hybrid" politico-economic system combining elements of a variety of both political and economic systems. Which is why each society defines its own flavor of socialism. Swedish social welfare has as much in common with Italian socialism as chimpanzees have with baboons.
 
Socialism - SUCKS DONKEY ####
Communism - SUCKS DONKEY ####
Fascism - SUCKS DONKEY ####
Communitarianism - SUCKS DONKEY ####
Nazism - SUCKS DONKEY ####

'Nuff Said...

Luis (5.56X45MM)

Long live Capitalism
 
Cadet Seaman said:
I guess it depends upon what line of work you in and if you are working for a company or yourself.

True be told the U.S. is a mix of a Socialist and Capitalist gov't. You can invest, build your own company, or work for someone else at your will, but if you decide to not work you still get an income and everyone can get a job and be paid a set minimum wage.
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If you work for yourself its still to the most part the market that sets the price, you can set what ever price you want but its the maket that decided if the company will stay or not.

EDIT: Opps i said price its supposed to be income! :)
 
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Well LG and 5.56........ I am not sure what to say over your very simple way of seeing things? I don't want to be rude or disrespectful, but you do make me wonder if you realise that things aren't that simple.
To say that they have the common denominator "government ownership" or "sucks donkey ###" is the same as saying:
* Everybody who drives a car, rides a model T.
* He is an athlete so he runs.
* 2+2=4 is math so all answers in math are 4.

If you think this sounds silly, so do your statements! Not only don't you take history into account, you also skip many social, political, economical and many many more aspects not into account. National Socialism and socialism share a word doesn't mean they are the same. You miss out the militaristic, totalitarian, racial, nationalistic, aggressive nature of the first.

So for arguments sake could you go in bit more into depth? These one-liners don't really contribute..... But I must say that they make my job a lot more agreeable, because I can post away at your remarks!
 
LG, I hate to burst your bubble but the PRC has a communist ruling party, an authoritarian government and a capitalist economy.
:shock:

With all due respect, you seem to be oversimplifying and making specious comparisons.
 
Socalism is not the great evil, it's just not right for the USA. What works for Sweden may not work for us and Vice Versa.

There is a world of diffrence between Sweden and North Korea. So no, they dont fall into the same brand.
 
Hi,


Socialism Works perfectly Well For India ..... :)

If you don't want to see the differences you wouldn't see them


Peace
-=SF_13=-
 
Rabs said:
Socalism is not the great evil, it's just not right for the USA. What works for Sweden may not work for us and Vice Versa.
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I agree, I'm a big fan of different countries for different folks. If you want to live in a socialist European state move to Europe! If you can't stand to live in Western capitalist democracy, stop collecting your check as a liberal college professor and get the hell out of America! You can emmigrate to any socialist country you want for $1,000 airfare, it really is much easier than all your whining.

I don't like the current US mantra of "spreading democracy" because I don't think that democracy and capitalism is neccessarily always the best thing for everyone. But the big problem is we can't say we invaded Iraq to kill evil people because killing isn't politically correct where as "giving" something as fun as democracy sounds so good on the evening news.

Bleach, there, you've got my philosophy on why socialism isn't the worst thing ever to befall mankind, just the worst thing to befall America :)
 
In my bad bad capitalist country run by bad nasty multibillionaire tycoon head of conservative government 12.5 million people do not pay any taxes because they fall within the no-tax area.
 
Italian Guy said:
In my bad bad capitalist country run by bad nasty multibillionaire tycoon head of conservative government 12.5 million people do not pay any taxes because they fall within the no-tax area.
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Damn! 12.5 million is like 2.5 Sweden hehe, which arnt paying taxes.:shock:
 
Whispering Death said:
I agree, I'm a big fan of different countries for different folks. If you want to live in a socialist European state move to Europe! If you can't stand to live in Western capitalist democracy, stop collecting your check as a liberal college professor and get the hell out of America! You can emmigrate to any socialist country you want for $1,000 airfare, it really is much easier than all your whining.

I don't like the current US mantra of "spreading democracy" because I don't think that democracy and capitalism is neccessarily always the best thing for everyone. But the big problem is we can't say we invaded Iraq to kill evil people because killing isn't politically correct where as "giving" something as fun as democracy sounds so good on the evening news.

Bleach, there, you've got my philosophy on why socialism isn't the worst thing ever to befall mankind, just the worst thing to befall America :)
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So Nazism and Fasism aren't that bad either?
 
Yes. And we are not a socialist country. Not saying Italy is better than Sweden I'm just saying there are different ways of protecting the weaker parts of population. It's not impossible for a capitalist country. Btw the left proposes that taxes get higher rather than lower. For everyone.
 
Whispering Death said:
I agree, I'm a big fan of different countries for different folks. If you want to live in a socialist European state move to Europe! If you can't stand to live in Western capitalist democracy, stop collecting your check as a liberal college professor and get the hell out of America! You can emmigrate to any socialist country you want for $1,000 airfare, it really is much easier than all your whining.

I don't like the current US mantra of "spreading democracy" because I don't think that democracy and capitalism is neccessarily always the best thing for everyone. But the big problem is we can't say we invaded Iraq to kill evil people because killing isn't politically correct where as "giving" something as fun as democracy sounds so good on the evening news.

Bleach, there, you've got my philosophy on why socialism isn't the worst thing ever to befall mankind, just the worst thing to befall America :)
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Very good way of seeing it, not all political systems work everyware, its a balance :)

Sweden has seen, religious ruling, dictators, areal ruling, and democracy in different branches, even partly communism.
 
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Cadet Seaman said:
So Nazism and Fasism aren't that bad either?
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What?! YOU CANT COMPARE SWEDEN TO NAZI GERMANY you cant do it, it's just stupid. Sweden has elections and the people are voteing in who they think is best for there country. It may be the best for it may not be.

Socialism would be disasterous for the United States but it seems to work decently well for Sweden. Just I think the government needs to have control of the oil wealth in Iraq, does that make me a Nazi?


Sweet god im defending socialism what has the world come to.
 
SwordFish_13 said:
Hi,


Socialism Works perfectly Well For India ..... :)

If you don't want to see the differences you wouldn't see them


Peace
-=SF_13=-
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India is not a Socialist country. From what I gather from the CIA Factbook it is set up much like the US. It has seperate "states" and is a republic. I would consider it a Federal Republic.
 
But I think Mohandas Ghandi was an archetype of socialist! Redistributing the wealth for the poor, like he did! Then again, he got assassinated, and no Russian secretary general ever got whacked, so he couldn't be left.
 
Rabs said:
What?! YOU CANT COMPARE SWEDEN TO NAZI GERMANY you cant do it, it's just stupid. Sweden has elections and the people are voteing in who they think is best for there country. It may be the best for it may not be.

Socialism would be disasterous for the United States but it seems to work decently well for Sweden. Just I think the government needs to have control of the oil wealth in Iraq, does that make me a Nazi?


Sweet god im defending socialism what has the world come to.
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I can do it, but I won't. I just wanted to see your reaction. Remember Russia was a Socialist nation, and look at the masses that died.
I think the best definition of Communism is "A Communist nation is nothing more than a Socialist nation with a dictator."

LOL? My sig just said "The Queen buys Cadet Seaman".
 
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