So why do people hate Israel? - Page 90




 
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August 28th, 2012  
I3BrigPvSk
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by VDKMS
Jerusalem is the capital of Israel and the UN even lists it as such : UN data - Israel



It would not be Palestine, it would be a Jewish homeland, that's what they promised them. At that time there wasn't even talk about Palestinians as we now know them.



There's no connection, it's made up in your mind.

Ever wondered why the "Palestinians" didn't revolt against the Turks? There were fewer Turks living in the region Palestine than Jews and yet the Turks ruled there. No one ever complained about that, including you. The Turks allowed Jewish immigration. The Turks started registering the properties in the region of Palestine. But when the Jews later ruled it suddenly became a problem. They did the same as the Turks, the only difference : religion.

You complain about Jews buying the land of Palestinians yet you are silent about the Moslem religious endowment fund (Waqf) who took away the land from Palestinians who couldn't pay off their debts.

You complain about Jews attacking Palestinians yet you are silent about Bedouin tribes, such as the notorious Ben Sakk'r, destroying complete Palestinian villages and corn fields.

Do you know what's wrong with the map om the left handside? It states the difference between Jewish owned land and Palestinian owned land. The truth is it's the difference between jewish owned land and non-Jewish owned land. Most of the land in the north belonged to rich Lebanese landowners. Most of the fertile lands in Palestine was in the hands of rich Syrian landowners and a big chunck of "Palestinian owned land" was in the hands of the Bedouins. And I omitted the lands in the hands of rich Egyptians and Kuwaities and that almost 50% of it was uninhabited.

If you really want to know about the "Palestian owned land" then read this.
Check what happened when Holland moved its embassy to J from Tel Aviv. Jerusalem is only the capital on the paper; the majority of countries have not recognized Jerusalem as Israel's capital. There are no embassies there and if they moved to J, they should prefer diplomatic contacts with the oil rich countries and Israel is not that important
August 29th, 2012  
VDKMS
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by I3BrigPvSk
Check what happened when Holland moved its embassy to J from Tel Aviv. Jerusalem is only the capital on the paper; the majority of countries have not recognized Jerusalem as Israel's capital. There are no embassies there and if they moved to J, they should prefer diplomatic contacts with the oil rich countries and Israel is not that important
The capital of the Netherlands is Amsterdam but the embassies are in Den Haag.
The capital of Israel is Jerusalem but the embassies are in Tel Aviv.
The UN Security Counsel resolution 478 (1980) asks the memberstates not to recognise the law that alters the character and status of Jerusalem.
August 29th, 2012  
senojekips
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by VDKMS
The capital of the Netherlands is Amsterdam but the embassies are in Den Haag.
The capital of Israel is Jerusalem but the embassies are in Tel Aviv.
The UN Security Counsel resolution 478 (1980) asks the memberstates not to recognise the law that alters the character and status of Jerusalem.
Jerusalem is in an occupied territory and as such can never be part of Israel.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Israeli Law Resource Centre
Major Legal Principle Violated -
  • 2. Occupation Must Never Lead To Sovereignty over Occupied or Conquered Lands of the Enemy People or Nation.
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August 29th, 2012  
I3BrigPvSk
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by VDKMS
The capital of the Netherlands is Amsterdam but the embassies are in Den Haag.
The capital of Israel is Jerusalem but the embassies are in Tel Aviv.
The UN Security Counsel resolution 478 (1980) asks the memberstates not to recognise the law that alters the character and status of Jerusalem.

With a major difference. The capital of Holland is recognized internationally, Jerusalem is not. When Holland moved its embassy to Jerusalem, the oil rich countries stopped to ship oil to Holland with huge consequences for the majority of Europe when the majority of the oil for Europe is going through Holland.
August 30th, 2012  
senojekips
 
 
Typical IDF harassment of Palestinians going about the legal business.
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lgTozA1aDe4"]Israeli soldiers violently arrest shepherd, disregard court rulings - YouTube[/ame]
August 30th, 2012  
Yossarian
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by senojekips
Typical IDF harassment of Palestinians going about the legal business.
Israeli soldiers violently arrest shepherd, disregard court rulings - YouTube

You mean breathing to loud? Exsisting to much.

It kills me that we back these guys... And niether canidate has any real plans to challenge situations like this for our elections either.

If only I were a corporate backed multi millionare....Then maybe I could run for office?
August 30th, 2012  
senojekips
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Yossarian
You mean breathing to loud? Exsisting to much.

It kills me that we back these guys... And niether canidate has any real plans to challenge situations like this for our elections either.

If only I were a corporate backed multi millionare....Then maybe I could run for office?
You could, and if you had enough wealthy friends who thought that they might be able to get something out of your being in office, no doubt you'd win.
August 30th, 2012  
VDKMS
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by senojekips
Jerusalem is in an occupied territory and as such can never be part of Israel.

Originally Posted by Israeli Law Resource Centre
Major Legal Principle Violated -
2. Occupation Must Never Lead To Sovereignty over Occupied or Conquered Lands of the Enemy People or Nation.[/LIST]
correction, East-Jerusalem is regarded as occupied, and remember that the "occupation" is not a black and white thing.

The occupation has not led (yet) to a sovereignity, so your quote from the Israeli Law Resource Centre is invalid (but that centre is only for anti-israeli readers who will swallow everything)

Besides, article V of the Oslo accords says that Jersualem (and other major issues) must be handled by permanent status negotiations.

So, as long as there is no permanent peace deal about East-Jerusalem with the Palestinians the occupation is valid because temporarily.

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Typical IDF harassment of Palestinians going about the legal business.
The so called Israeli court ruling (the map) was not valid because it was not signed nor stamped. There are three areas in the West Bank, area A with full control of the Palestinians, area B with Palestinian administration and Israeli security and Area C with full control of the Israelis. Since they told the soldiers they had a Israeli court ruling they were in Area C. They had to follow the orders of the IDF, which they didn't so they got arrested. The IDF soldiers were very patient and what happend prior the "attack" is not on film. Since they forcefully arrested that guy while being filmed proves he must have done something wrong. Terrorist will try everything to get accros the border into Israel. The place where this is presumably filmed is just a few miles from the Israeli border. Why didn't they go with their sheep inside Palestinian controled areas?
August 31st, 2012  
senojekips
 
 
Sorry VD we've been through it all before,... no occupied lands can become part of Israel. Unless of course the Palestinians agree to it, and we all know how much hope there is of that. My quote is 100% valid and you know it. We are talking of International validity, not "Zionist validity"
August 31st, 2012  
VDKMS
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by senojekips
Sorry VD we've been through it all before,... no occupied lands can become part of Israel. Unless of course the Palestinians agree to it, and we all know how much hope there is of that. My quote is 100% valid and you know it. We are talking of International validity, not "Zionist validity"
The Palestinians did agree. The Oslo accords (signed by the Palestinians and Israelis) agreed that area c falls under the Israeli administration and security. They are responsible for building infrastructure. Almost all (if not all) Israeli settlements are in area c. Less than 5% of the Palestinian population lives in area c.

The quote you gave, can you also tell me were to find the original? (Geneva conventions, UN charter or resolutions?)
 


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