So why do people hate Israel? - Page 72




 
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May 30th, 2012  
r.fox
 
 
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Originally Posted by Yossarian
For the sake of my nation's security I don't see why we do little but slap Israel on the wrists at any major human rights violations, or ignore the Palestine issue so blatantly.
before the 6 day war, they actualy opposed israel on a number of matters, but when the US saw how quickly the Israelis beat the crap out of their enimies, the US was prepared to publicly support israel. but i agree with you. the US government is turning too much of a blind eye.
May 30th, 2012  
senojekips
 
 
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Originally Posted by r.fox
before the 6 day war, they actualy opposed israel on a number of matters, but when the US saw how quickly the Israelis beat the crap out of their enimies, the US was prepared to publicly support israel. but i agree with you. the US government is turning too much of a blind eye.
This might put your "how quickly the Israelis beat the crap out of their enemies" quote into it's true perspective.

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Originally Posted by The Real Cost Of US Support for Israel
When Israel was losing the war, President Richard Nixon stepped in to supply the Jewish state with U.S. weapons. Nixon's intervention triggered the Arab oil embargo which Stauffer estimates cost the U.S. as much as $600 billion in lost GDP and another $450 billion in higher oil import costs. Source: http://www.rense.com/general41/trill.htm
In actual fact, much of the reported US "opposition" to Israel's criminal behaviour is a complete sham, and no more than paying lip service to appease world opinion and misinform their own citizens who are ultimately paying for all of this, both with their money and the cream of their young men and women. Since 9/11/2001 there have been 6280 killed and 41,936 maimed and wounded, this does not include the 2,977 killed in the 9/11 attack.
May 31st, 2012  
VDKMS
 
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Originally Posted by senojekips
Yeah,... we know how "legal" it was. It was because of the Brits trying to prevent these illegal immigrants that Jewish terrorists bombed the King David Hotel killing 91 people.

It would appear that your "facts" leave a lot to be desired, or are you like other Zionists merely alluding to "Zionist facts" (Lies), which bear no resemblance to those of the rest of the world.
You truly are a professional in twisting the facts, aren't you? The bombing of the King David hotel was not about the British stopping the legal immigration but was a retaliation of the British invasion of the Jewish Agency on June 29, 1946 and the confiscation of documents plus the arrest of 2.500 Jews all over Palestine.
What you also forget to mention is that the British ignored the phone calls to warn them about an explosion. The British first denied and later backtracked.

From the book By blood & fire: the attack on the King David Hotel

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Emile Kary had told Mathilde about the bomb warning when he turned over the switchboard. She wanted to be certain that this important message was properly transmitted. She left the switchboard to deliver it to one of the managers in person.
She found Soutter in the lobby.
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In Major Quinn's office on the top floor of the hotel, Harry Beilin, was saying :"And I can assure you, Ernie, that everything is going to be quiet.
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In case you are not aware, it contravenes forum rules to post two or more posts in succession.
This is a minor thing and not comparable to your deliberately changing my words and use it as a quote of mine. They deleted your post.
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May 31st, 2012  
VDKMS
 
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Originally Posted by senojekips
This might put your "how quickly the Israelis beat the crap out of their enemies" quote into it's true perspective.



In actual fact, much of the reported US "opposition" to Israel's criminal behaviour is a complete sham, and no more than paying lip service to appease world opinion and misinform their own citizens who are ultimately paying for all of this, both with their money and the cream of their young men and women. Since 9/11/2001 there have been 6280 killed and 41,936 maimed and wounded, this does not include the 2,977 killed in the 9/11 attack.
So you are saying that a worldwide Jewish population of 13,4 million dominates a country of 313 million (USA) and holds in check a muslim population of 1,6 billion?
If you are able to do that then the US is not the superpower but Israel is.

You have a weird logic.

BTW, your actual fact is a sham.
June 4th, 2012  
r.fox
 
 
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Originally Posted by senojekips
Since 9/11/2001 there have been 6280 killed and 41,936 maimed and wounded, this does not include the 2,977 killed in the 9/11 attack.
it is my personal opinion that the hijackers attacked the trade towers simply because they were the most obivious things on the new york skyline, and because of the physcological shock that it would give US citizens and for other reasons, but i do not think that it is mainly because of the US support for Israel. if that were the case, why not bomb the US embassy in Tel Aviv
June 4th, 2012  
senojekips
 
 
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Originally Posted by r.fox
it is my personal opinion that the hijackers attacked the trade towers simply because they were the most obivious things on the new york skyline, and because of the physcological shock that it would give US citizens and for other reasons, but i do not think that it is mainly because of the US support for Israel. if that were the case, why not bomb the US embassy in Tel Aviv
Simple,... you really don't think about these things at all, do you?... because it would not have anything like the same effect. A maybe 50 persons killed against 3000, plus the fact that the buildings were a US icon, (the tallest office blocks in the world) and the attack was done on US home soil to clearly demonstrate to the citizens that just because they are thousands of miles from the source of the trouble, they are not safe.

So why do you think that Islamic terrorists hate the US, do you think that maybe they bought a bad Big Mac, in Riyadh? Why is it that it is almost unheard of for there to be a significant terrorist attack in countries that neither support the US nor Israel?
June 5th, 2012  
r.fox
 
 
if you had read my post, you would know that i stated physcological and the buildings significence played a major part on them being picked as targets for the planes. it isnt clear weather or not US symphathies for Israel to be a direct reason for the attack. if you`re angry at your enemy for a reason, you should probably tell you enemy what your angry at him for, so he can change. i mean, its not like they painted "FOR THE LIBERATION OF PALESTINE" of the side of the planes.

the US being the worlds greatest superpower clearly had nothing to do with it.

also, there has never been the country of Palestine. there was a proposel for a country (being Paletine) to be created alongside Israel, but the Arab states opposed it because it called for the reconision of Israel about to be a country.
June 5th, 2012  
senojekips
 
 
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Originally Posted by r.fox
if you had read my post, you would know that i stated physcological and the buildings significence played a major part on them being picked as targets for the planes. it isnt clear weather or not US symphathies for Israel to be a direct reason for the attack. if you`re angry at your enemy for a reason, you should probably tell you enemy what your angry at him for, so he can change. i mean, its not like they painted "FOR THE LIBERATION OF PALESTINE" of the side of the planes.
Are you off your medication again? They didn't have anything else painted on the sides of the aircraft either. Other than the fact that your comment is absolutely stupid and totally without any bearing on the debate, if you knew the first thing about the origins of today's Global Islamic terrorism you'd you'd know it was not necessary. You deny what I say, but offer no reason why or a credible alternative cause.

Today's Global Islamic Terrorism as we know it, really started in the 1960s with groups like Black September and the PLO who for some reason just happened to be Palestinian, and these were the groups that fanned the fires of fundamentalist Islam, claiming that Palestine was obviously too small too resist the US and her allies therefore they must come together as a Muslim brotherhood, their raison d'etre all centres on the Israeli occupation of Palestine.

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Originally Posted by r.fox
also, there has never been the country of Palestine. there was a proposel for a country (being Paletine) to be created alongside Israel, but the Arab states opposed it because it called for the reconision of Israel about to be a country.
But there has been an area known as Palestine, you know, and I know that the area has been referred to as Palestine since the time of the Romans, not that it has any bearing on the debate. So why do you keep tossing in all these Red Herrings?
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I am not saying this to be nasty or sarcastic, but find it impossible to understand how a person who can't spell every day words, and/or is too lazy to use the spell check provided, can have read and gained any understanding the basics of any subject, the causes of which occurred 40 or more years before he was born.
June 5th, 2012  
VDKMS
 
9/11

Citing the attack as a reason for US support of Israel makes no sence. The Twin Towers were the hallmark of worldwide capitalism. People from all over the world, (more than 90 countries) and all kinds of religions worked there.


Global Terrorism

Global Islamic terrorism as we know it today has nothing to do with Israel but with the expansion of Islam and the expulsion of non-islamist rulers and boots on muslim ground.
You don't kill innocent muslims on a marketplace in Kabul or Bagdad because of Israel.
You don't kill Nigerian Christians in a church because of Israel.
You don't kill Australian tourists in Bali because of Israel.

Islamic terrorism started in the 7th century with the founding of Islam.


Black September was founded in 1970 because the Palestinians were thrown out of Jordan they first fought against Jordan later against Israel.
The Moslim Brotherhood was founded in 1928 by Hassan al-Banna in Egypt.

In the region of Palestine Jews called themselves Palestinians and the Arabs Syrians. Jews living in Russia were called Palestinians. Take a telephone book from the West Bank and look at the names of Arab Palestinians, they refer to where they came from.

People hate Israel because they believe the propaganda. Arabs in Israel have a much better life than Jews in Arab countries. There are more Arabs living in Israel than Jews in the entire Arab world.
June 12th, 2012  
r.fox
 
 
i said that there was never a COUNTRY called Palestine, but i admit that the area is known as Palestine. IF the UN crave up of the area had been accepted by the arab states, then there would be a country called Palestine. but they didn`t, so there isn`t.
 


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