So why do people hate Israel? - Page 69




 
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May 23rd, 2012  
r.fox
 
 
Senojekips, about the jordanians, during the 6 day war the prime minister of Israel in fact begged Jordan to stay out of the conflict. they said that they would only engage the Jordanians if the Jordanians attack israel first. Unfortunetly for Jordan, king Hussein had to live up to the arab worlds expectations so he attack the Israelis, therefore losing ALL of the West bank and Jerusalem. Jordan never joined in on an attack on israel again. the point i was trying to make is that the Israelis believed that Jordan was not an extremest country and thay thought that Jordan was the best place of the Palestinians. remember that the Arab countrys did nothing with the Palestinians while they were in a more dominant position, and then they once the Irsaelis took over the problem, the Arabs wanted the Israelis to do nothing so the conditions of the Palestinians could be blamed on the Israelis. so basicly the Israelis were better towards the Palestinians then the Palestinians Arab 'Brothers'.
May 24th, 2012  
senojekips
 
 
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Originally Posted by r.fox
Senojekips, about the jordanians, during the 6 day war ---snip--- .
Yes, and there were people who thought that Britain should not have gone to war over the German invasion of Poland, after all it was nothing to do with the Brits.

Other than having nothing to do with the discussion, Jordan's involvement was that of any country with a bit of moral backbone.

The remainder of your drivel is pure Zionism 101.
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Originally Posted by r.fox
the Israelis believed that Jordan was not an extremest country and thay thought that Jordan was the best place of the Palestinians
WTF have the wishes of Israel got to do with what is best for the Palestinians? Of course they want the Palestinians to go somewhere else you idiot,... the Israelis are the people stealing the Palestinian's land.
May 24th, 2012  
VDKMS
 
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Originally Posted by hamidreza
The most important thing is that Israeli accept the land doesn't belong to them and it's Palestinian's land. If they accept this the other problems will be solved easily. The number of Jews in the Israel is about 5 million people. the world is large enough to find a place for them. we can find a lot of solution for this.
They have found their place, it's called Israel. It is part of the world that is big enough. Why bother someone else? Jews lived there before, Arabs not. Israel was there before, Palestine was not. Judaism was there before Islam. Who's the invader then?
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May 24th, 2012  
VDKMS
 
It seems that this discussion is still going on about the same thing. The Palestinians own the land and the Jews are invaders.
People who base their logic on this are wrong. The logic must be based on rule of law. I'll give an example.

A Palestinian family lives just west of the Jordan border. They "own the land", so it must be Palestine? Wrong. He lives there because someone (the ruler) drew that border east of his home. If that ruler would have drawn the border west of his home he would be living in Jordan. I never heard in these discussions about Palestinians who "owned the Land" in Jordan.

Jews have always lived there. It is a fact that many Jews immigrated legally into the region of Palestine, just as other people from other countries. The ones who want the Jews out must also expell the immigrants from other countries.

If you want to blame someone, blame the ones who allowed the immigration, the ones who promised the Jews a land and the ones who divided the region and not the people who took what was given to them.
May 24th, 2012  
senojekips
 
 
Another feeble attempt to divert the debate. What has Jordan to do with the debate, if you live in Jordan you are a Jordanian, if you live in Palestine you are a Palestinian, if you are a Palestinian that has been driven off the land your family has lived on for millenia, by an occupier, you are still a Palestinian, and will remain so until you change your nationality.

I do blame those who allowed the immigration of the Zionists into an already occupied land stating that it was unoccupied. One lie among a litany of lies that are reiterated and "improved upon" to this day.

Listen to this first hand report on the Israeli Lie, by Miko Peled, son of a high ranking Israeli family, son of General Matti Peled a member of the General staff during the six day war. "It's time to sweep away some of the myths"

Miko Peled - The General's Son
May 25th, 2012  
r.fox
 
 
and this thread has decended into a general argument not a discussion about why people hate israel.
my belief about why people hate the Israelis because they listen to the people who shout the loudest
- the extremists like the PLO, Nasser, Assad etc
although this may be quite far from the general idea in the thread at the moment,
this IS the origional idea of the Thread, "why do people hate Israel?" it wasnt about who owned land israel is now on.

about the Palestinians, the Israelis Have been giving land to the Palestinians
look at the Gaza and the West Bank. Although they have no flags, they now belong to the Palestinians.
May 25th, 2012  
senojekips
 
 
You can't give what is not yours in the first place. THAT is why the discussion has gone where it has.

People hate Israel because of these lies and injustices, watch the video in my last clip, even Israelis realise this. There are dozens of Jewish and Israeli organisations and noted Jews that support the Palestinians.

Here's what an Auschwitz survivor has to say about Israel's treatment of the Palestinian people.
Dr. Hajo Meyer - Zionism is Nazism
May 25th, 2012  
r.fox
 
 
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Originally Posted by senojekips
You can't give what is not yours in the first place.
does any one really own land? if you want to try and find owned he land origionly then would be going back thousands of years, and then it still be the jews.
May 25th, 2012  
senojekips
 
 
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Originally Posted by r.fox
does any one really own land? if you want to try and find owned he land origionly then would be going back thousands of years, and then it still be the jews.
You never watched either movie did you? But then again you probably wouldn't have understood anyway and even if you did you'd only deny it.
May 25th, 2012  
VDKMS
 
I didn't watch those movies either. They are only opinions of people, and one is making lots of money with it. He's a Jew, he knows how to make money. You can make more money with an anti-Israel book than a pro one.

The internet is bombarded with propaganda about his new book and how "good" it is. He is very careful to avoid interviews with critical questions though.

So why do people hate Israel? Because they ignore the facts and swallow the propaganda. The more evil the better. After a while they start to think like radical islamists: deny everything that you don't like and promote your view as the only truth.
 


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