So why do people hate Israel? - Page 54




 
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April 12th, 2012  
VDKMS
 
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Originally Posted by senojekips
You have answered it yourself, because a moral choice is possible just as it was for those hung at Nuremburg.
Kurt Blome : admitted that he had been ordered in 1943 to experiment with plague vaccines on concentration camp prisoners. : acquitted

Paul Rostock : Because of his very high position, Rostock was charged of implication in several series of human experiments on concentration camp prisoners. He was found innocent and released in August 1947.

Otto von Erdmannsdorff : he served as Deputy to Ernst Wörmann, who was Chief of the Political Division of the German Foreign Office. Although the Political Division was staffed mainly by civil servants who were either nominal members of the Nazi Party or not members at all, it was nonetheless involved in implementing the Final Solution. This led to von Erdmannsdorff's being charged with war crimes in the Ministries Trial after the war; however, he was acquitted as a result of a determination that he lacked sufficient power and influence to have been able to prevent the crimes.

Hans Münch : did conduct human experiments in Auschwitz : Acquitted

See, it is not all black and white. "Befehl ist befehl" can be defense, and I am very well aware of that.


What's your view on this? Or are you affraid to give it.

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A lot of women in muslim countries get convicted by local laws that transgress international ones. What is their benefit of international law? What does the ICC do about it? Do those women have to disobey and get killed because international law backs them?
April 12th, 2012  
senojekips
 
 
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Originally Posted by VDKMS
Kurt Blome : admitted that he had been ordered in 1943 to experiment with plague vaccines on concentration camp prisoners. : acquitted

Paul Rostock : Because of his very high position, Rostock was charged of implication in several series of human experiments on concentration camp prisoners. He was found innocent and released in August 1947.

Otto von Erdmannsdorff : he served as Deputy to Ernst Wörmann, who was Chief of the Political Division of the German Foreign Office. Although the Political Division was staffed mainly by civil servants who were either nominal members of the Nazi Party or not members at all, it was nonetheless involved in implementing the Final Solution. This led to von Erdmannsdorff's being charged with war crimes in the Ministries Trial after the war; however, he was acquitted as a result of a determination that he lacked sufficient power and influence to have been able to prevent the crimes.

Hans Münch : did conduct human experiments in Auschwitz : Acquitted

See, it is not all black and white. "Befehl ist befehl" can be defense, and I am very well aware of that.

What's your view on this? Or are you affraid to give it.
Firstly Hans Munch did not attempt to use the Nuremburg Defence, and was acquitted on other grounds, specifically his refusal to take part in the Selections, demonstrating that refusal was an option. I'm sure that you were aware of this yet still tried to "pull it on"

This is also not case in War Crimes London Charter of the International Military Tribunal and most certainly not in the case of persons who plan crimes nor those willingly following orders as has been the case with the IDF and their superiors.

My view is. Nothing that you state here alters the fact that in the case of Israel the perpetrators most certainly had the chance and opportunity to either refuse to undertake Criminal action or flee the country.
April 13th, 2012  
VDKMS
 
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Originally Posted by senojekips
My view is. Nothing that you state here alters the fact that in the case of Israel the perpetrators most certainly had the chance and opportunity to either refuse to undertake Criminal action or flee the country.
Not one IDF person has been brought before the ICC. Regarding all the anti-Israel organizations and foes this is quite a feat.

A Tremendous Victory for Israel at the International Criminal Court
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April 13th, 2012  
senojekips
 
 
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Originally Posted by VDKMS
Not one IDF person has been brought before the ICC. Regarding all the anti-Israel organizations and foes this is quite a feat.

A Tremendous Victory for Israel at the International Criminal Court
Not because they are not guilty of war crimes and Crimes against humanity, if there was no US veto most of Israels politicians and command structure would be on the wanted list.
April 14th, 2012  
VDKMS
 
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Originally Posted by senojekips
Not because they are not guilty of war crimes and Crimes against humanity, if there was no US veto most of Israels politicians and command structure would be on the wanted list.
The ICC is an independent international organisation, and is not part of the United Nations system, so no veto option for the US.

Pursuant to the Rome Statute, the Prosecutor can initiate an investigation on the basis of a referral from any State Party or from the United Nations Security Council. In addition, the Prosecutor can initiate investigations proprio motu on the basis of information on crimes within the jurisdiction of the Court received from individuals or organisations (“communications”).

Situations and cases

Rome Statute
April 15th, 2012  
senojekips
 
 
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Originally Posted by VDKMS
The ICC is an independent international organisation, and is not part of the United Nations system, so no veto option for the US.

Pursuant to the Rome Statute, the Prosecutor can initiate an investigation on the basis of a referral from any State Party or from the United Nations Security Council. In addition, the Prosecutor can initiate investigations proprio motu on the basis of information on crimes within the jurisdiction of the Court received from individuals or organisations (“communications”).

Situations and cases

Rome Statute
The fact remains that Israel gets special deals available to no one else due to US influence. Like so many things, what is said and what is done often have no similarity. If all US influence were removed the outcome would have been far different, any other country in the same circumstance would have it's leaders behind bars.

If Palestine were Christian, Israel would never have got off the ground. There was no precedent nor reason for the formation of Israel.
April 15th, 2012  
Genevieve84
 
I heard that they are whiping out Palestinians. But is Palesinte terrorist want to do the same thing to Israel.
April 15th, 2012  
senojekips
 
 
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Originally Posted by Genevieve84
I heard that they are whiping out Palestinians. But is Palesinte terrorist want to do the same thing to Israel.
They are not wiping them out, just driving them off their land.
April 15th, 2012  
senojekips
 
 
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Originally Posted by Genevieve84
I heard that they are whiping out Palestinians. But is Palesinte terrorist want to do the same thing to Israel.
They are not wiping them out, just driving them off their land.

Here is an example from Haaretz on 20 Feb, 2012

It is doubtful whether Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, who has expressed great concern over the fate of Migron's residents, has heard of Tha'lah. Unfortunately for the village's residents, Tha'lah is situated in Area C, which is under Israel jurisdiction. Minister Benny Begin, who worked so tirelessly on the questionable "agreement" that will leave the Migron criminals on stolen land for a few more years (if it is ever implemented ), presumably does not know what happened to the residents of this tiny village in the Southern Hebron Hills. And the Israeli media didn't stop focusing on an Iranian nuclear bomb that threatens to destroy our homes long enough to cover a boring story about a Palestinian family whose home we Israelis razed.

It happened last Wednesday. Civil Administration officer Nabil Tafsh arrived at Youssef Awad's hut accompanied by a bulldozer. Awad told Rabbis for Human Rights representatives summoned to the site that the official informed him he had one minute to leave the hut and remove the sheep from their pen. Two soldiers forcibly removed Awad and, in a flash, the bulldozer flattened his minimal possessions into a pile of rubble.

Eight people, including children, were thrown out of their shabby hut and left without a roof over their heads on a rainy winter night. The sheep pen was destroyed, and buried underneath it were 15 lambs and a dovecote. Four lambs died, four were injured and 400 head of sheep that were spared lost their shelter. The water cisterns used to provide for the flock were destroyed and sealed.

In a complaint submitted to the Civil Administration, Rabbi for Human Rights attorney Quamar Mishirqi wrote that Awad presented the officer with an interim order from the High Court of Justice ordering a delay in the implementation of the demolition order issued against him. She says the officer tore up the document and slapped Awad across the face. Mishirqi presented an agreement with the State Prosecutor's Office granting Awad 60 days to approach the High Court of Justice before his property would be destroyed. According to her, were it not for a hasty phone call she made that day to the Prosecutor's office, it is almost certain that the Civil Administration would have proceeded to demolish all of the village's houses.

The next target of the Civil Administration (which, of course, carries out the government's policies ) in Tha'lah and nearby villages are renewable energy installations - wind turbines and solar panels that two good Israelis, Noam Dotan and Elad Orian, members of Comet (Community, Energy and Technology in the Middle East ), set up for them.

Around 1,500 people in 16 communities, that have been in the area since the 19th century, now benefit from energy produced by these installations, which provide lighting and electricity to their modest dairy product business. A few weeks ago, the Israeli administration - the one that arranges to run high-tension lines over their heads to supply illegal outposts - decided to issue work stoppage orders to five installations. The demolition orders expected to follow will darken the homes of 500 people. Children will revert to straining their eyes as they do their homework in the light of oil lamps, and the women will go back to churning butter and cheeses with blistered hands.

The new facilities were built mainly with money from the German taxpayer. The German government contributed 400,000 euros to the project, in addition to more modest sums from other organizations. During a visit to Israel three weeks ago, German Foreign Minister Guido Westerwelle asked the prime minister, defense minister and foreign minister to work to cancel the orders. Everyone promised to look into the matter. The response arrived a week later in the form of a new work stoppage order for another installation.
April 15th, 2012  
senojekips
 
 
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A German Foreign Ministry spokesperson said the German government is aware of the stoppage order for the solar energy systems in Tha'lah, and is in close contact with the Israeli government in order to find an amicable solution. The German press sees Israel's behavior as a rude gesture to the European Union, which dared publish a report critical of Israel's discriminatory policy toward 150,000 Palestinians in Area C, who have survived the harassment of the authorities and the fury of the settlers.

During the first six months of 2011, the UN Coordinator of Humanitarian Affairs recorded 342 demolitions of Palestinian structures in the area. That is almost five times the number razed during the same period in 2010. The report noted that for Palestinian villages in Area C, the Civil Administration did not manage to plan sufficiently, but all Jewish communities in the West Bank did receive detailed plans.

The Civil Administration said in response, "Illegal construction is occurring in the village of Tha'lah, and legal action has already been taken against it. The plan that the residents submitted was rejected by the planning committee in June 2011 and for this reason it was decided to enforce it. The solar installations are illegal and therefore a court order was issued against it, which is currently being discussed in the relevant committees. Outside assistance is a key component in the bettering the fabric of life of the population, but does not give immunity to illegal activity. The allegations against the officer will be investigated."

The plots thicken

Civil Administration officials are busy with Palestinians' wind turbines and goat pens. No wonder, then, they have no time to deal with a few structures that settlers are building on stolen lands. Not just stolen from Palestinian landowners, but also from the Palestinian Authority.

Two days ago, Haaretz published a list of outposts that are moving into agricultural plots in Area B, which is under Palestinian Authority civil control. A petition submitted to the High Court of Justice on Monday by a resident of the northern West Bank village of Amatin, with the assistance of Yesh Din, shows that the name of the Havat Gilad outpost was omitted from the list.

The petition claimed that people from the outpost built two houses on Palestinian land, contrary to the law and the Oslo Accords. The inspectors are in no rush to go back there. The last time, they got out by the skin of their teeth. Regarding this matter as well, there was no comment from the Civil Administration.

Israel's High Court ruled on Monday that the state must respond within seven days.
 


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