So why do people hate Israel? - Page 2




 
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November 29th, 2011  
Seehund
 
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I was talking about the history of the conflict, and no I have never served there. When and where have you served there?
I was there in 1992. Our headquarters are in Jerusalem. I was mostly in the Sinai and on the west bank.
My mission was to monitor the ceasefire and that agreements be respected and prevent that isolated incidents evolve into something bigger and to assist other UN operations in the region.

About the history of the conflict - does the concept "transfer" in connection with palestine mean anything to you?

I donīt hate Israel or Jews. But they are not blameless in this conflict, nor is the Palestinians.
November 29th, 2011  
senojekips
 
 
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I am not sure where you guys witness all the hate for Israel. Majority of the U.S supports Israel and want to keep supporting them; they just don't like certain actions of Israel.
Obviously you don't realise that there is a real world outside that of your own, that sees things unburdened by US political baggage.

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It is in U.S's interest that Israel survives; the benefits are mutual.
In the interest of any chance of world peace it is vital that the Palestinians get justice and compensation. US politicians are gradually becoming aware of this fact.
US Dollars kill Children


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Originally Posted by RayManKiller3
Death will occur amidst a battle, civillian or combatant, the main difference is who is purposely being targeted. If they are targeting civillians and get back to their own country and people find out about it, they should be charged (this does not happen in Palestine).
It certainly happens in Israel, but the world is well aware that it is no more than a whitewash. Everything is an "Unfortunate mistake" No Israeli war Criminal has ever received more than a slap on the wrist for their crimes most go completely unpunished
Israel's Usual Excuse
November 29th, 2011  
84RFK
 
 
Could it possibly be that people not necessarily hate Israel, but rather strongly oppose Israeli politics and conduct in the occupied territories, or is such a stance too far fetched when the world is wieved in black&white...

Sure enough, there will always be extremists who is solely fueled by hate, but most of us has learned from history that extremists rarely contribute in any positive way to a peacefull solution.
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November 29th, 2011  
RayManKiller3
 
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Originally Posted by senojekips
In the interest of any chance of world peace it is vital that the Palestinians get justice and compensation. US politicians are gradually becoming aware of this fact.

What makes you so sure "world peace" will be achieved or even close to being achieved simply by giving in to the Palestinians? There is no such thing as "world peace" there will always be war and bloodshed so long as humanity exist.
November 29th, 2011  
senojekips
 
 
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Originally Posted by RayManKiller3
What makes you so sure "world peace" will be achieved or even close to being achieved simply by giving in to the Palestinians? There is no such thing as "world peace" there will always be war and bloodshed so long as humanity exist.
Read "a lack of extremist inspired Muslim global terrorism", that will come about as close to world peace as we will ever see.

And the reasoning behind my statement is that if you remove the cause, you will remove the effect.
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Calixbentley, here is an exerpt from a speech by Bradley Burston to the Ameinu, a pro Israel, pro peace organisation. It will give you a little idea of how the world views Israel's rogue state policies.

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"It is true that the world media, generally speaking, doesn't like Israel very much, and stacks the deck against it, but good hasbara starts with not allowing soldiers to vandalize Palestinian homes and shoot Palestinian women," writes Jeffrey Goldberg of The Atlantic, a veteran of the IDF, of the disclosures over the past week in Haaretz.
Here is Jeffery Goldberg's view:
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How Far Has the IDF Fallen?
Pretty far, if you believe Ha'aretz's searing expose of the tactics used in the Gaza war. These are reports from the soldiers themselves, mind you:

"You do not get the impression from the officers that there is any logic to it, but they won't say anything. To write 'death to the Arabs' on the walls, to take family pictures and spit on them, just because you can. I think this is the main thing: To understand how much the IDF has fallen in the realm of ethics, really. It's what I'll remember the most."
Many Jews who once supported Israel are also now seeing what has actually been happening with the lessening of censorship, and more are becoming brave enough to speak their minds.
November 30th, 2011  
VDKMS
 
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Originally Posted by Seehund
I was there in 1992. Our headquarters are in Jerusalem. I was mostly in the Sinai and on the west bank.
My mission was to monitor the ceasefire and that agreements be respected and prevent that isolated incidents evolve into something bigger and to assist other UN operations in the region.

About the history of the conflict - does the concept "transfer" in connection with palestine mean anything to you?

I donīt hate Israel or Jews. But they are not blameless in this conflict, nor is the Palestinians.
That's a very honest answer, I really appreciate that. The one is blaming the other while both are to blame, especially the fanatics. But I can't stand that someone is blaming only one side and exaggerating it while treating the other like an innocent baby. When we go further back in history others made mistakes too and complicated the matter.

About "transfer" that depends where in history it is situated. But I'd like to know what you think or know about it.
November 30th, 2011  
VDKMS
 
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Originally Posted by 84RFK
Could it possibly be that people not necessarily hate Israel, but rather strongly oppose Israeli politics and conduct in the occupied territories, or is such a stance too far fetched when the world is wieved in black&white...

Sure enough, there will always be extremists who is solely fueled by hate, but most of us has learned from history that extremists rarely contribute in any positive way to a peacefull solution.
That's the big problem in this conflict, religious fanatics, on both sides, but let's be honest there are more fanatics among the Palestinians than the Israelis, surely in their governments.
My post #171 from About How Would You Solve the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict? Page 18 might give in the long term a solution. (It's not from me but I posted some interesting links)
November 30th, 2011  
senojekips
 
 
People who merely what is legally and morally theirs can hardly be said to be "extremists", whereas the same cannot be said for their opposition.

This is typical of the millions of pieces of deliberate and malicious disinformation that are constantly used by the Zionists and their supporters in an attempt to muddy the water and vilify people who are merely trying to obtain justice.
November 30th, 2011  
84RFK
 
 
I'd say Seehund is a typical example as the Scandinavian countries has a long standing tradition of participating in UN peace-keeping missions, even though most have learned from bitter experience that there's often very little peace to be found...

In my opinion, innocence and truth is always the first casualties of a war.

As for fanatics, both sides of that particular conflict seems to have their share of them.
While the fanatics on the Palestinian side appears to be religious in lack og means and knowledge to provide anything else, the fanatics on the Israeli side comes in both the religious and politic fraction.

The latter being the only possible reason I can find for a government supported civillian occupation (and settlement) in the occupied territories.
November 30th, 2011  
senojekips
 
 
To my knowledge resistance movements fighting a well armed occupying organised army have always had to use whatever methods they can.

In this conflict the civillian "settlers" are as bad if not worse than the Army, the atrocities of both groups being tacitly condoned by the Israeli government.
Settlers or Terrorists?
 


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