So why do people hate Israel? - Page 186




 
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October 13th, 2014  
I3BrigPvSk
 
 
That is good news, I like it even though it's only symbolic. Especially form one of the more powerful nations in Europe. It cannot be ignored if the other two follows (France and Germany)
October 14th, 2014  
MontyB
 
 
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Originally Posted by I3BrigPvSk
That is good news, I like it even though it's only symbolic. Especially form one of the more powerful nations in Europe. It cannot be ignored if the other two follows (France and Germany)
France is now making noises in that direction:

France: Palestinian recognition shouldn't be merely symbolic

Reuters
Published: 10.14.14, 18:57 / Israel News

PARIS - France's foreign minister said on Tuesday that Paris should recognize a Palestinian state only if doing so would help achieve peace, not as a symbolic gesture.
However, if negotiations between the Palestinians and Israel fail, Paris "would not shirk its responsibilities" but would recognize the Palestinian state, the minister, Laurent Fabius, said in answer to a question in parliament.
His remarks came a day after British lawmakers voted to recognise Palestine. Their vote will not alter government policy, but it does carry symbolic value as Palestinians pursue international recognition.

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7...580675,00.html


The Germans on the other hand tend to stay well back on issues with Israel but have indicated in the past that they could recognise Palestine but not really turned words into actions, however with Britain and Sweden breaking the ice so to speak the rest of western Europe could follow suit.
October 29th, 2014  
VDKMS
 
Anti-semetic politics of left wing governments. It always has been and always will be.
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October 29th, 2014  
MontyB
 
 
Good to see you get a few minutes off from promoting apartheid however I had expected more.

Welcome aboard Israel's apartheid bus

Defense Minister Ya’alon is kowtowing to the settlers at the expense of the image of the State of Israel internationally and its remaining shreds of morality.

Haaretz Editorial | Oct. 27, 2014 | 2:40 PM | 7



Defense Minister Moshe Ya’alon has instructed that Palestinian laborers be prohibited from using Israeli public transportation to travel between their homes in the West Bank and work in Israel. According to the report by Chaim Levinson in Haaretz on Sunday, Palestinian laborers will not be allowed to board buses traveling directly between central Israel and the West Bank at the end of their work day.

The minister’s decision comes despite the fact that the Israel Defense Forces see no security risk in Palestinians traveling on Israeli buses, because the only ones to do so are those with entry and work permits who undergo careful security checks when they enter Israel. Thus, Ya’alon’s decision is purely a result of his having given in to the longtime pressure exerted on him by settlers demanding that Palestinians not be allowed to board “their” buses.

The minister’s decision reeks of apartheid, typical of the Israeli occupation regime in the territories. One of the most blatant symbols of the regime of racial separation in South Africa was the separate bus lines for whites and blacks. Now, Ya’alon has implemented the same policy in the occupied territories. In so doing, he justifies the claims of those who brand Israel internationally as an apartheid state.

Ya’alon’s decision also means a heavier burden on the Palestinians in the West Bank. Few among them are allowed to work in Israel, and those who are allowed to work in Israel face an exhausting, humiliating and painful experience on their way to and from work. Now, Ya’alon is making it even harder on them.

The defense minister made it his goal a long time ago to satisfy the settlers; to dance to their tune and make almost all their wishes and demands come true. He does this out of cynical personal and political considerations - to reinforce his status as a leader of the extreme right.

The saga of his murky relations with the American administration following his disparaging remarks about Secretary of State John Kerry and other senior officials shows how much Ya’alon longs for the settlers’ embrace.
This time, Ya’alon is kowtowing to the settlers at the expense of the image of the State of Israel internationally and its remaining shreds of morality. And all by abusing a few tens of thousands of Palestinians permitted to make a paltry living in Israel.

Ya’alon’s has instructed the Civil Administration to prepare for the implementation of his decision until it can be done in practice. It would be better for him to annul it immediately and remove this shame from Israel.



http://www.haaretz.com/opinion/1.622908

But then what do you expect from a nation who's own president refers to as "sick".

Rivlin: Violence an epidemic in Israeli society

October 19, 2014 4:52pm JERUSALEM (JTA) — The epidemic of violence permeates every sector of Israel, the country’s president, Reuven Rivlin, said in an address.

“It is time to honestly admit that Israeli society is ill – and it is our duty to treat this disease,” Rivlin told the Israel Academy of Sciences and Humanities on Sunday at a conference titled “From Xenophobia to Accepting the Other.”

“The tension between Jews and Arabs within the State of Israel has risen to record heights, and the relationship between all parties has reached a new low,” he said. “We have all witnessed the shocking sequence of incidents and violence taking place by both sides. The epidemic of violence is not limited to one sector or another, it permeates every area and doesn’t skip any arena. There is violence in soccer stadiums as well as in the academia. There is violence in the social media and in everyday discourse, in hospitals and in schools.”

The president added that he has been verbally abused, including on his Facebook page.
Rivlin said that Israeli academia can play a “crucial role” in reducing violence in Israeli society.

“The academic sphere, in which cultures and languages ​​are taught from a desire to get to know them deeper, where there is a ‘you and I’ affinity, there is a place which generates not only learning but also a real encounter,” he said.

Rivlin called on the academy to be “a space which prepares a new generation of Israeli citizens to talk to each other, and especially to learn how to listen to each other.”


Read more: http://www.jta.org/2014/10/19/news-o...#ixzz3HYjbbSrz
November 3rd, 2014  
Yossarian
 
 
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Originally Posted by VDKMS
Anti-semetic politics of left wing governments. It always has been and always will be.

I find that assumption discriminatory to all the other minorities who live in Israel, we have to strive to protect everyone's rights, not create first and second class citizens by choosing favoritism. Same for Palestine.

Talking ideals is nulled and mute if we do not protect everyone equally under the scope of law.
November 9th, 2014  
Army0413
 
Metal rules.
November 10th, 2014  
Army0413
 
Israel is strong today.
November 12th, 2014  
Army0413
 
176.000 first size then more that's 430.000 in reserves is same strenght as Germanys in 2009 then the smaller sizes get's on alert. Finland destroy german size 5 year later when they bring around german size on ca 230.000 for Germany 2010 and for Finland 2015 and Germany don't will have same like Finland.

Todays it's ca 182.000 for Germany. Big Air Force in strenght ca 63000 soldiers and pilots.

Israel was strong in six day war in 1960's. Five countries against Israel and Israel won.
November 12th, 2014  
MontyB
 
 
I am not so sure relying on past wins is a good idea, Egypt in particular are now a far stronger and better equipped military than they have been in the past.

Israels only real combat experience in the last 30 years has been fighting the likes of Hezbollah and Hamas who at best could be described as light forces and suppressing Palestinians throwing stones which isn't hard to accomplish when you are the only one fielding a MBT against mostly rock throwers and the occasional AK-47/RPG combo.

I would also argue that without the 3 billion dollars annually the Americans give the Israeli military it could not afford to keep an army of that size for very long.
November 12th, 2014  
ScarabVenom
 
 
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Originally Posted by MontyB
I would also argue that without the 3 billion dollars annually the Americans give the Israeli military it could not afford to keep an army of that size for very long.
Agreed, what people always fail to remember is the amount of military support the USA gives to Israel. Especially during the 1973 war,

In page 132 from the book Soldiers, Spies and Statesmen: Egypt's Road to Revolt, "Later Sadat recorded in his memoirs that although he learned that American 'tanks landed in Arish, loaded and fueled, and joined the battle immediately.' He did not want to provoke the Americans by bombing the airport."

To be honest, who could have a better ally than this during times of war?
 


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