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June 18th, 2014  
VDKMS
 
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No,.... so why do you present this as evidence that the Zionist occupation of Palestine is some how justified by this?
This is evidence that the Jewish refugees didn't get the same treatment as the Arab ones (there were no Palestinians at that time, the Egyptian immigrant Arafat was not there yet).

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Bullsh!t,... Jewish occupation was never legal, in fact legally the state of Israel has never legally existed.
There was no Jewish occupation. The former country was gone. Ottoman empire defeated and abolished. Many new countries would arise, including a Jewish homeland.

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The British administrators of PALESTINE (not Israel) were only able to recommend the setting up of a jewish homeland in the event that the Palestinians allowed it, which they did not.
From the mandate.
" the historical connection of the Jewish people with Palestine and to the grounds for reconstituting their national home in that country"


I already explained the meaning of Palestine, it has nothing to do with Arabs let alone "Palestinians".

There is no word of "Palestinians" in any document of the mandate. They talk about Arabs and Jews. Nowhere is stated that the reconstitution of the Jewish homeland depended on Arab approval. Besides, the Arabs immediately got their part, it was called Transjordan.

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It was when the Zionists discovered that there was no legal way that they could have a homeland in Palestine that the Zionist terror groups attacked the legal Administration and drove them out, after which they attacked the Palestinians and drove them into neighbouring countries where they remain until this day.
Again you are talking BS.

The first attack reported in the mandate was this (1924):
"From the 21st July till the 19th August the Amir was absent from the territory on the pilgrimage to Mecca; his cousin, the Amir Shakir, acted in his place. On the 4th August a Transjordan band, in a raid into Syria, attacked a party of Syrian gendarmes who were escorting a party of French officers and ladies"


The next reported attack was in 1929 (first attack on the Jews)
"15. Collective Punishments.--The Collective Punishments Ordinances were applied to the towns and villages whose inhabitants were guilty of participation in the concerted attacks on Jews at Hebron, Safad, Motza, Artuf, Beer Tuvia, and heavy fines were inflicted."


The first attack on the British occured in 1936 (as of yet there were NO Jewish attacks on Arabs)
"A small party of British troops who were bathing near Beisan on the 12th August were subjected to a surprise attack by a large Arab armed band. Unfortunately their Lewis gun "jammed" and those who were on guard were killed by the band, who succeeded in capturing the Lewis gun and some rifles. "


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You cannot be an illegal immigrant into a land that is promised to you. Any Arabs were migrating to the promised Pan ARAB State as promised by the Brits. in 1917.
The promise was nullified by the Mandate. The Mandate prohibited Arab immigration onto land assigned to the Jews. The Arabs who crossed the border did so illegally no matter what was promised.

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All of this has been previously covered and you know it, so let's get back to where we left off and you can explain your lies.
Yes I know it and I was right, supported by the facts.
June 18th, 2014  
senojekips
 
 
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Originally Posted by VDKMS
This is evidence that the Jewish refugees didn't get the same treatment as the Arab ones (there were no Palestinians at that time, the Egyptian immigrant Arafat was not there yet).
Neither they should as has been pointed out many times before. But there certainly were Palestinians at that time as recognised in the Mandate for PALESTINE.


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There was no Jewish occupation. The former country was gone. Ottoman empire defeated and abolished. Many new countries would arise, including a Jewish homeland.
Well, what do we call the influx of undocumented (illegal) European Zionists who flooded and occupied Palestine after WWII?

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From the mandate.
" the historical connection of the Jewish people with Palestine and to the grounds for reconstituting their national home in that country"
I have a historical connection with several countries including Holland and England, but that does not give me the right to drive out the present legal owners at gunpoint and kill those who resist. This was one of the reasons why Israeli Jews realised that they had no claim to any part of Palestine, Or anywhere else for that matter.

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I already explained the meaning of Palestine, it has nothing to do with Arabs let alone "Palestinians".
We've settled this matter many times previously, The inhabitants of Palestine are by default "Palestinians" end of story.

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There is no word of "Palestinians" in any document of the mandate. They talk about Arabs and Jews.
Rubbish,...




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Nowhere is stated that the reconstitution of the Jewish homeland depended on Arab approval.
IF, the formation of Israel was somehow made legal, Which it was not, it stated quite clearly.
"Whereas the Principal Allied Powers have also agreed that the Mandatory should be responsible for putting into effect the declaration originally made on November 2nd, 1917, by the Government of His Britannic Majesty, and adopted by the said Powers, in favour of the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, it being clearly understood that nothing should be done which might prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine".
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Again you are talking BS.

The first attack reported in the mandate was this (1924):
As a result of the Arabs realising that the Zionists were trying to steal Palestinian lands

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The promise was nullified by the Mandate. The Mandate prohibited Arab immigration onto land assigned to the Jews. The Arabs who crossed the border did so illegally no matter what was promised.

Yes I know it and I was right, supported by the facts.
You are a proven liar who will say anything to try to justify your point of view. Here is an example of those lies,
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You still have not shown your much quoted Frame 633 that you allege enables you to see the victim's uninjured foot inside his shoe and told us how you reached this miraculous conclusion. Another of your lies made up (poorly) on the run.

Neither have you posted any evidence to support your claim that the view of the hole in the sole of the shoe shows it is pushed inwards. Another lie

Also you have never explained how the material you posted, allegedly from Forensic Architecture states clearly the victim was shot in the foot from a range of 1.5 metres and yet their supposedly forensically accurate drawing clearly shows the victim to be 4 metres away. Like you they make up their excuses (very poorly) on the run.

You have never explained how Nahum Sharaf's Official Affidavit denies the findings of the Israeli High Court that Abu Rameh WAS shot in the foot, To many lies for them to keep track of, eh?

You still have not been able to produce this mysterious "uncut" video showing the projectile hitting the ground 6m behind the victim and having this alleged "conversation" on it. So far there is absolutely no evidence that this conversation ever took place, and the only mention that can be found of it is on a Hasbara site run by Rivka Shpak Lissak, an Israeli born Hasbarat, quoting Jonathan D. Halevi an ex Lt Col. in the IDF, now employed by The Jerusalem Center for Public Affairs (A recognised Hasbara site). Liar!

You also stated that Abu Rameh was not a protester, however it was stated in the court proceedings that he was, He is also clearly visible protesting in the opening scenes of the video. Another Lie on your behalf
June 19th, 2014  
VDKMS
 
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Neither they should as has been pointed out many times before. But there certainly were Palestinians at that time as recognised in the Mandate for PALESTINE.
The mandate did not talk about "Palestinians". They talked about jews and Arabs. This is a FACT.


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Well, what do we call the influx of undocumented (illegal) European Zionists who flooded and occupied Palestine after WWII?
Israel was recognised as a souvereign state after WWII and they decided upon Jewish immigration, no one else. Before that it was the Palestine Mandate that decided that Jewish immigration was legal. Very few came illegally and the British didn't apply the rules as they should have been.


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I have a historical connection with several countries including Holland and England, but that does not give me the right to drive out the present legal owners at gunpoint and kill those who resist. This was one of the reasons why Israeli Jews realised that they had no claim to any part of Palestine, Or anywhere else for that matter.
Your historical connection is not approved by the international community. The Jewish connection was. The Jews did not drive out the local population. They only started defending themselves after repeated attacks on them. Everyone has the right to defend himself.

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We've settled this matter many times previously, The inhabitants of Palestine are by default "Palestinians" end of story.
Boy are you wrong. Palestine goes back to the Greek Philistines. The ones who call them now "Palestinians" are Arab. They hijacked the name for political reasons. Before Arafat they called themselves Arabs or Syrians. And that is a FACT.

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Rubbish,...

It says Palestine not "Palestinians". Like I've said before. The "Palestinians" of today have nothing to do with Palestine as mentioned in the Mandate.


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IF, the formation of Israel was somehow made legal, Which it was not, it stated quite clearly.
"Whereas the Principal Allied Powers have also agreed that the Mandatory should be responsible for putting into effect the declaration originally made on November 2nd, 1917, by the Government of His Britannic Majesty, and adopted by the said Powers, in favour of the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, it being clearly understood that nothing should be done which might prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine".
As a result of the Arabs realising that the Zionists were trying to steal Palestinian lands
You have a short memory.

what you don't remember was that that sentence was taken over by the Jews themselves.

Statement of the Zionist Organization regarding Palestine. (3 - 2- 1919)
5.1. - ...nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country.

The same sentence was also taken over by the Recommendations of the King-Crane Commission with regard to Syria-Palestine and Iraq (August 29, 1919)
( Christians and Muslims did not want the Jews to take over their holy places)

As a result the local Arabs (NOT "Palestinians") knew that the Jews were not comming to steal their land.

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You are a proven liar who will say anything to try to justify your point of view. Here is an example of those lies,
Still mad that I exposed your lie that he was shot through the thigh?

from your post #8 About Rubber bullets, pros, cons, and other info.

"There is obviously a third variety, as there is a video showing a blindfolded Palestinian detainee being deliberately shot through the thigh with a rubber bullet, the weapon has no muzzle adaptor."


We all know he had a blister on his toe and it is not proven if the blister was caused by the rubber bullet.
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June 19th, 2014  
senojekips
 
 
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Originally Posted by VDKMS
The mandate did not talk about "Palestinians". They talked about jews and Arabs. This is a FACT.
But it did talk about Palestine, andas I have pointed out many times the inhabitants of Palestine are by default, "Palestinians".

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Originally Posted by VDKMS
Israel was recognised as a souvereign state after WWII and they decided upon Jewish immigration, no one else. Before that it was the Palestine Mandate that decided that Jewish immigration was legal. Very few came illegally and the British didn't apply the rules as they should have been.
Due to the British immigration restrictions, the Jewish Agency Executive turned to illegal immigration. Over the next few years tens of thousands of Jews sailed towards Palestine in overcrowded vessels in a program known as Aliyah Bet, despite the almost certain knowledge that it would lead to incarceration in a British prison camp (most ships were intercepted). The overwhelming majority were European Jews, including many Holocaust survivors, although some North African Jews were also involved.

The Brits, as the legally appointed administrators banned Jewish migration to Palestine because of the inability of Palestine to absorb new immigrants. All arable land was already occupied hence the need for those illegal immigrants to drive the legal occupants out so they could steal their land and possessions.

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Your historical connection is not approved by the international community. The Jewish connection was. The Jews did not drive out the local population. They only started defending themselves after repeated attacks on them. Everyone has the right to defend himself.
My connection does not need "approval" it is a fact, not only that it is a lot more recent than that of the Jews to Palestine. You are correct about people having the right to defend themselves, which is exactly what the Palestinians were doing resisting the illegal occupation of their land. There is now evidence that these Ashkenazi Jews never lived in Palestine at any time but are actually descendants of the Khazars. The Sephardim came fro Morocco and never ever lived anywhere near Palestine, so,... your whole argument is null and void. Jews have no historical connection to Palestine.[/quote]
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Boy are you wrong. Palestine goes back to the Greek Philistines. The ones who call them now "Palestinians" are Arab. They hijacked the name for political reasons. Before Arafat they called themselves Arabs or Syrians. And that is a FACT.
That is 100% bullsh!t as pointed out earlier, the population of Palestine are by default Palestinians end of story

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It says Palestine not "Palestinians". Like I've said before. The "Palestinians" of today have nothing to do with Palestine as mentioned in the Mandate.
Please post a credible link to prove this




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You have a short memory.

what you don't remember was that that sentence was taken over by the Jews themselves.

Statement of the Zionist Organization regarding Palestine. (3 - 2- 1919)
5.1. - ...nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country.

The same sentence was also taken over by the Recommendations of the King-Crane Commission with regard to Syria-Palestine and Iraq (August 29, 1919)
( Christians and Muslims did not want the Jews to take over their holy places)

As a result the local Arabs (NOT "Palestinians") knew that the Jews were not comming to steal their land.
But they DID steal their land AND the Palestinians were well aware of what they were up to.

Still mad that I exposed your lie that he was shot through the thigh?

from your post #8 About Rubber bullets, pros, cons, and other info.

"There is obviously a third variety, as there is a video showing a blindfolded Palestinian detainee being deliberately shot through the thigh with a rubber bullet, the weapon has no muzzle adaptor.

We all know he had a blister on his toe and it is not proven if the blister was caused by the rubber bullet.[/quote]You never disproved anything. what has been shown was your pathetic attempt to lie your way out of the facts.[/quote] The Israelis made an answer for every eventuality. Some said a blistered toe, some said the projectile missed altogether (Nahum in his officially approved affidavit) there were also other lies the trouble being that they did not even agree among themselves, a sure sign of a cover up. Then of course there is the visible evidence showing the exit hole in the detainees shoe. The same shoe through which you state you can miraculously see the victims uninjured foot inside the shoe.
June 20th, 2014  
VDKMS
 
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But it did talk about Palestine, andas I have pointed out many times the inhabitants of Palestine are by default, "Palestinians".
Palestine as the Holy Land. That's how it was remembered. Are you now going to call them Holly Landers?

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Due to the British immigration restrictions, the Jewish Agency Executive turned to illegal immigration.[B] Over the next few years tens of thousands of Jews sailed towards Palestine in overcrowded vessels in a program known as Aliyah Bet, despite the almost certain knowledge that it would lead to incarceration in a British prison camp (most ships were intercepted). The overwhelming majority were European Jews, including many Holocaust survivors, although some North African Jews were also involved.
Approximately 60.000 Jews were able to enter illegally between 1939 and 1946. 400.000 - 500.000 entered legally during the mandate. Many Jews who came illegally went from Nazi prison camps to British prison camps. Almost all Arab immigrants entered illegally. None went to prison camps. A gross violation of the mandate.

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The Brits, as the legally appointed administrators banned Jewish migration to Palestine because of the inability of Palestine to absorb new immigrants. All arable land was already occupied hence the need for those illegal immigrants to drive the legal occupants out so they could steal their land and possessions.
Tell me why a land cannot absorb immigrants from one region but can from another?
You forget to mention that the Jews were able to make deserts and swamps into arable land, which the natives could not.
Jews did not drive out the natives. Their land was mostly owned by rich Arabs living outside of the region.

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My connection does not need "approval" it is a fact, not only that it is a lot more recent than that of the Jews to Palestine. You are correct about people having the right to defend themselves, which is exactly what the Palestinians were doing resisting the illegal occupation of their land. There is now evidence that these Ashkenazi Jews never lived in Palestine at any time but are actually descendants of the Khazars. The Sephardim came fro Morocco and never ever lived anywhere near Palestine, so,... your whole argument is null and void. Jews have no historical connection to Palestine. That is 100% bullsh!t as pointed out earlier, the population of Palestine are by default Palestinians end of story
No one was attacking the natives. War was over. Their country (Ottoman Empire) was gone. It was the Islamists and Jihadist who started to attack only the Jews and not Arab immigrants who were also in need of a job and land. If they were right they would have attacked all the immigrants, which they didn't. They only attacked the Jews, including families that lived there longer than any Arab family did. It was a religious attack.
Why do you keep ignoring the facts? Name one capital of your "historical Palestine"! You can't because there never was one. The Mandate of Palestine was called like that because of the Holy Land and that has nothing to do with "Palestinians".

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Please post a credible link to prove this
I've placed it multiple times.

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But they DID steal their land AND the Palestinians were well aware of what they were up to.
The Jews did not steal any land. They bought it with the approval of the Mandate.

It is time that you read official documents instead of those anti-Jew BS.
June 21st, 2014  
senojekips
 
 
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Palestine as the Holy Land. That's how it was remembered. Are you now going to call them Holly Landers?
Liar You have already been shown a number of maps dating from BCE to to the present day where the land is shown as PALESTINE.

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Approximately 60.000 Jews were able to enter illegally between 1939 and 1946. 400.000 - 500.000 entered legally during the mandate. Many Jews who came illegally went from Nazi prison camps to British prison camps. Almost all Arab immigrants entered illegally. None went to prison camps. A gross violation of the mandate.
No, they went to illegal immigrants detention, which was well within the scope of powers granted to the UN appointed administrators. The same happens to illegal immigrants in most countries today.

And while i think of it, here's something else for you to think about. You are always bringing up the subject of Palestine"s lack of sovereignty.
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NON-SOVEREIGN STATES: An entity may declare statehood without having full control over all their territories. They can, at a later date, declare sovereignty. Meanwhile, their territories still belong to their people and cannot be acquired by another entity by war/force. Only through mutual agreement, Legal Annexation. Likewise protectorates are through mutual agreement. Non-sovereign states can only acquire further territory by legal annexation.
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Tell me why a land cannot absorb immigrants from one region but can from another?
You forget to mention that the Jews were able to make deserts and swamps into arable land, which the natives could not.
Jews did not drive out the natives. Their land was mostly owned by rich Arabs living outside of the region.
Because they were not just migrants, but illegal migrants for whom there was no space, Palestine was already fully occupied. Mussolini made the trains run on time and Hitler provided work for 10s of thousands of people living near starvation in pre-war Germany, but the Zionists stole the land of another by driving out the legitimate owners, and anything they did was for their own convenience.

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No one was attacking the natives. War was over. Their country (Ottoman Empire) was gone. It was the Islamists and Jihadist who started to attack only the Jews and not Arab immigrants who were also in need of a job and land. If they were right they would have attacked all the immigrants, which they didn't. They only attacked the Jews, including families that lived there longer than any Arab family did. It was a religious attack.
Why do you keep ignoring the facts? Name one capital of your "historical Palestine"! You can't because there never was one. The Mandate of Palestine was called like that because of the Holy Land and that has nothing to do with "Palestinians".
you have had these questions answered a dozen times.
The locals were being swamped by Zionist invaders who had no right to even be there, that is plenty of justification to defend themselves.
Again you try to say it was religious whereas it has been shown many times that it was all about the Zionists grabbing land that was destined to become the Pan Arab state of Palestine.

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But this says nothing about the reason that the document was called "The Mandate for Palestine". The real reason being, that the area was known as PALESTINE and the mandate was to administer it until the Palestinians could take it over themselves. A plan thwarted by Zionist terror campaign both against the owners of the land and the UN appointed administrators.
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The Jews did not steal any land. They bought it with the approval of the Mandate.
Well why did the mandate refuse them legal entry into Palestine, there is no way they were going to do this for illegal immigrants, you're dreaming (or just lying) again.

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It is time that you read official documents instead of those anti-Jew BS.
Once again you demonstrate your ignorance, I am very proud of my Jewish heritage, it's just the warmongering Zionist occupiers that I detest. Is it that you don't know the difference, or were you just telling another lie to suit your story?

You still have not explained your earlier lies.
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You still have not shown your much quoted Frame 633 that you allege enables you to see the victim's uninjured foot inside his shoe and told us how you reached this miraculous conclusion. Another of your lies made up (poorly) on the run.

Neither have you posted any evidence to support your claim that the view of the hole in the sole of the shoe shows it is pushed inwards. Another lie

Also you have never explained how the material you posted, allegedly from Forensic Architecture states clearly the victim was shot in the foot from a range of 1.5 metres and yet their supposedly forensically accurate drawing clearly shows the victim to be 4 metres away. Like you they make up their excuses (very poorly) on the run.

You have never explained how Nahum Sharaf's Official Affidavit denies the findings of the Israeli High Court that Abu Rameh WAS shot in the foot, To many lies for them to keep track of, eh?

You still have not been able to produce this mysterious "uncut" video showing the projectile hitting the ground 6m behind the victim and having this alleged "conversation" on it. So far there is absolutely no evidence that this conversation ever took place, and the only mention that can be found of it is on a Hasbara site run by Rivka Shpak Lissak, an Israeli born Hasbarat, quoting Jonathan D. Halevi an ex Lt Col. in the IDF, now employed by The Jerusalem Center for Public Affairs (A recognised Hasbara site). Liar!

You also stated that Abu Rameh was not a protester, however it was stated in the court proceedings that he was, He is also clearly visible protesting in the opening scenes of the video. Another Lie on your behalf
June 24th, 2014  
VDKMS
 
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Originally Posted by senojekips
Liar You have already been shown a number of maps dating from BCE to to the present day where the land is shown as PALESTINE.
Show them again and I shall tell you where they are wrong.
Again you are twisting the truth. You are talking about the Roman province Syria Palaestina, a merger from two Roman provinces Judea and Syria. The name Palaestina came from the Greek Philistines.
Judea was Jewish, not Arab.


Where is your muslim Arab "Palestine"? Nowhere. The Jews were already there though!



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No, they went to illegal immigrants detention, which was well within the scope of powers granted to the UN appointed administrators. The same happens to illegal immigrants in most countries today.

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NON-SOVEREIGN STATES: An entity may declare statehood without having full control over all their territories. They can, at a later date, declare sovereignty. Meanwhile, their territories still belong to their people and cannot be acquired by another entity by war/force. Only through mutual agreement, Legal Annexation. Likewise protectorates are through mutual agreement. Non-sovereign states can only acquire further territory by legal annexation.
Your beloved "Palestine" is a non souvereign state. then click List of unrecognized states and you will find your beloved "Palestine" listed.

Sovereign states click on List of sovereign states and you will find Israel listed.

You must look for the facts, not the articles you like to read.

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"No, they went to illegal immigrants detention"
Men and women were separated just like the Nazis did.

Limiting the Jewish immigration other than for economic absorptive capacity was a breach of the mandate. The UN (Mlle. Dannevig) and even in Britain (Colonel Wedgwood , Mr. Mander) were of this insight.

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And while i think of it, here's something else for you to think about. You are always bringing up the subject of Palestine"s lack of sovereignty. Because they were not just migrants, but illegal migrants for whom there was no space, Palestine was already fully occupied. Mussolini made the trains run on time and Hitler provided work for 10s of thousands of people living near starvation in pre-war Germany, but the Zionists stole the land of another by driving out the legitimate owners, and anything they did was for their own convenience.
Palestine was not fully occupied. Here are the facts:
1922 : 757,182
1946 : 1.810.037 (max population before independence of Israel)
Now : 8.132.000 (Israel) + 4.420.549 (PA) Total : 12.552.549

The mandate could easily have taken all the Jewish refugees.

Within a year the Zionist Committee :
"advanced the money to the Government for the cost of laying a metalled road to the villages of Rishon le Zion and Rehobot from the main Jaffa-Jerusalem road, which forms the first part of a highway to be built to Gaza. The Jewish Co-operative Labour Association, a body supported by the Zionist Organisation, competes for contracts for the construction of roads and other public works. Among the works carried out by it for the Government are the Tiberias-Semakh road, and other roads in Galilee, for a total price of about ŁE.150,000; the construction of a railway siding for the army at Sarafand, and of a branch line from Ras el Ain to the Jewish village of Petah Tikvah; the building of barracks at Jenin, and of a Government office at Ramleh. The total value of these Government and army contracts to the end of 1922 was nearly ŁE.200,000."
And this was only in 1923.

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you have had these questions answered a dozen times.
The locals were being swamped by Zionist invaders who had no right to even be there, that is plenty of justification to defend themselves.
Again you try to say it was religious whereas it has been shown many times that it was all about the Zionists grabbing land that was destined to become the Pan Arab state of Palestine.
Again this is all BS. Why do you make those things up? They are not true and official documents prove that.
Jews drained swamps where no one lived. Jews irrigated desert where no one lived and Jews planted trees where no one lived.

From the 1931 report:

"13. In the year 5691 (1931-1932) the Jewish National Fund acquired 9,978 dunums of rural land, which brings the area in its possession to 288,605 dunums. The Fund has completed the drainage works in Haifa Bay, and has installed water-supply and irrigation systems in several settlements. Afforestation of hills and swamps was continued. The Fund has, in all, afforested 6,000 dunums with 1,250,000 trees."


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But this says nothing about the reason that the document was called "The Mandate for Palestine". The real reason being, that the area was known as PALESTINE and the mandate was to administer it until the Palestinians could take it over themselves. A plan thwarted by Zionist terror campaign both against the owners of the land and the UN appointed administrators.
Well why did the mandate refuse them legal entry into Palestine, there is no way they were going to do this for illegal immigrants, you're dreaming (or just lying) again.
Again you are talking BS. The mandate was about the "reconstitution of a Jewish home land" NOT for the Arabs living there to take it over. READ THE OFFICIAL DOCUMENTS!

From the 1930 UN document:

"It will be recalled that, under the terms of Article 2 of the Mandate, His Majesty's Government are responsible for placing the country under such political, administrative, and economic conditions as will secure the establishment of the Jewish National Home and the development of self-governing institutions, and for safeguarding the civil and religious rights of the inhabitants."


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Once again you demonstrate your ignorance, I am very proud of my Jewish heritage, it's just the warmongering Zionist occupiers that I detest. Is it that you don't know the difference, or were you just telling another lie to suit your story?
Thanks to the Zionist the Jews have their land back. Otherwise they would still be scattered all over the world.

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You still have not explained your earlier lies.
I don't have to explain them because there are none.
June 24th, 2014  
MontyB
 
 
It is probably a good thing Europe has stringent firearms laws because you would have shot your foot off long before now and that could be life threatening given the amount of time you seem to have them in your mouth on this issue.

But play with history then shall well:

Here is a map of the kingdoms of Canaan and I am sure you and all the other zionists are well aware that Canaanites are regarded as the original inhabitants of the region...



(You will note how I have used your words here)
Where is your Jewish "Israel"? Nowhere. No Jews, No Muslims but lots and lots of Pagans.

Now before you say "But the Jews are the descendants of the Canaanites" in the usual attempt to pervert history that can not be the case because and you should see the irony in this since you continually try and pollute biblical history to suit your own aims the Old Testament book of Joshua tells of the Israelites' entry into the land of Canaan as such Israelites can not even be a sect of Canaanite religions.

Therefore it is impossible for Israelites to be descendants of Canaanites which is born out by biblical fairy stories saying Israelites were a transplanted population, Archeology which says none of it happened at all and DNA which says Jews originated from Eastern Europe.

The interesting thing is that as yet there is nothing to say that those who are now calling themselves Palestinians could not have been religious converts from Canaanite extractions as the Palestinians do not have a story about how they came to the land.

Incidently I realise you know and are ignoring this but you should know that Palestinians are not just Muslims Palestinians are in fact all denominations.
June 25th, 2014  
senojekips
 
 
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Your beloved "Palestine" is a non souvereign state.
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then click List of unrecognized states and you will find your beloved "Palestine" listed.

Sovereign states click on List of sovereign states and you will find Israel listed.
and what does being a sovereign State have to do with the question the Zionists have long been known for their disregard of all international Laws and Conventions. Nowhere does this give them the Right to occupy the land of another people then drive the legitimate occupants out. I also noticed on the list that Israel is not recognised by 22 States.[quote]Thus the state of Israel places itself straight away above international law.
Imposed on the U.N. on the 11 May 1949 by the will of the United States, the State of Israel was only admitted on three conditions :

1 - Not to touch the status of Jerusalem;

2 - To allow Palestinian Arabs to come back to their homes;

3 - To respect the borders fixed by the partition decision.

Speaking about this U.N. resolution on "sharing", taken well before its admission, Ben Gurion declares:"The State of Israel considers the U.N. resolution of 29 November 1947 (Res. 181) to be null and void."
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Limiting the Jewish immigration other than for economic absorptive capacity was a breach of the mandate. The UN (Mlle. Dannevig) and even in Britain (Colonel Wedgwood , Mr. Mander) were of this insight.
You speak of the opinions of two relatively unheard of individuals regarding the fact was that there was no room for any immigrants once the Pan Arab State was formed. This is why the Zionists drove the people off there land and never allowed them back. (A War Crime under International Law)

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The mandate could easily have taken all the Jewish refugees.
No they couldn't, as it would have contravened Article 2, Article 5, Article 6 (and parts of several others) of the Mandate infringing on the rights of the current occupants.


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Jews drained swamps where no one lived. Jews irrigated desert where no one lived and Jews planted trees where no one lived.
So I can just take over land in any country that I feel like just because there is no dwelling upon it?

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From the 1930 UN document:

"It will be recalled that, under the terms of Article 2 of the Mandate, His Majesty's Government are responsible for placing the country under such political, administrative, and economic conditions as will secure the establishment of the Jewish National Home and the development of self-governing institutions, and for safeguarding the civil and religious rights of the inhabitants.Thanks to the Zionist the Jews have their land back. Otherwise they would still be scattered all over the world.
No, they have the Palestinians land. Any "Jewish National home" would have contravened their own Mandate that is why none was ever ratified.

I don't have to explain them because there are none.
You stated that you could see such miraculous things as the protesters "uninjured" foot in frame 633, which at the time was still within his shoe, but when requested to show the Frame showing this you could not produce any evidence as to how you came by this miracle Frame 633. (Lie)
You claimed that it could also be seen that the exit hole in the sole of the protesters shoe showed the edges to be turned inwards, but when asked for the evidence to support this miracle you could not.(It was a Lie)
You quoted a mysterious "full length version" of the film of the protestor being shot in the foot, but a search of the Internet reveals no such thing ever existed.(Lie)

You have been asked to show proof of these statements you made a dozen times, but you have studiously ignored any request because you know them to be lies.
June 28th, 2014  
VDKMS
 
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It is probably a good thing Europe has stringent firearms laws because you would have shot your foot off long before now and that could be life threatening given the amount of time you seem to have them in your mouth on this issue.

But play with history then shall well:

Here is a map of the kingdoms of Canaan and I am sure you and all the other zionists are well aware that Canaanites are regarded as the original inhabitants of the region...

Thanks! Sure the Canaanites were there before the Jews, but the Canaanites also were a semetic people, like the Jews. Not Arab! And look, the Greek Philistines, the sea peoples! Not "Palestinian" Arabs! It was the Israelites (Semitic Hebrew-speaking people) who took over. Sorry, still no "Palestinians Arabs". For them to appear you have to wait until the immigration of the Egyptian called Arafat in the late 20th century.

Another thing, none of the civilisations on the map exist today.


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(You will note how I have used your words here)
Where is your Jewish "Israel"? Nowhere. No Jews, No Muslims but lots and lots of Pagans.
You forget something. Semetic people. Most of them were semetic people, as the Jews.

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Now before you say "But the Jews are the descendants of the Canaanites" in the usual attempt to pervert history that can not be the case because and you should see the irony in this since you continually try and pollute biblical history to suit your own aims the Old Testament book of Joshua tells of the Israelites' entry into the land of Canaan as such Israelites can not even be a sect of Canaanite religions.
Oh! And were did the Canaanites came from? And the ones before them, and other before those, etc. We all end up somewhere in southern Africa.

The oldest still living society in that region are the Jews. Period. Same culture, same language , same belief.

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Therefore it is impossible for Israelites to be descendants of Canaanites which is born out by biblical fairy stories saying Israelites were a transplanted population, Archeology which says none of it happened at all and DNA which says Jews originated from Eastern Europe.
Most (in fact all but one) DNA studies are in favor of the Jews coming from the Levant. In fact the one study that opposed it also admitted that Jewish parental DNA came from the Levant.

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The interesting thing is that as yet there is nothing to say that those who are now calling themselves Palestinians could not have been religious converts from Canaanite extractions as the Palestinians do not have a story about how they came to the land.
Most "Palestinians" are descendants of Arab immigrants from the 19th century on. The Tanzimat period of the Ottoman empire. Look at their names and you'll know where they came from. Listen to the Hamas minister who told the same story, "Palestinians" are not from the region.

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Incidently I realise you know and are ignoring this but you should know that Palestinians are not just Muslims Palestinians are in fact all denominations.
"Palestinians" are Arabs.
Constitution of Palestine (2003)
Chapter One
ARTICLE 1
Palestine is part of the large Arab World, and the Palestinian people are part of the Arab Nation. Arab Unity is an objective which the Palestinian People shall work to achieve
ARTICLE 4
Islam is the official religion in Palestine. Respect and sanctity of all other heavenly religions shall be maintained.
The principles of Islamic Shari’a shall be the main source of legislation.
Arabic shall be the official language.
 


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