So why do people hate Israel? - Page 142




 
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May 27th, 2013  
Hawkeye
 
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Originally Posted by hamidreza
Hezbollah is supporting Syrian people against Vahabi and Salafi terrorists who are supported by west and Arab traitor regimes' dollars and weapons. Assad is a real man in the ME and his army will be loyal to him forever. It is the thing I had said in this forum 2 years ago.
Here it is Israel who wants to use this opportunity for her like a hyena. They attached Syria hypocritically one month ago and now they hide in their hole after Russia threaten for selling S300 to Syria.
( now the question is why other Syria's neighbors didn't attack Syria, especially Turkey?)
Assad is a despot. One day you will experience that dictatorship usually have an expiry date.

Turkey believes small-scale armed confrontation with Syria could be turned into a full-fledged war, something it does not want to enter alone.
May 28th, 2013  
senojekips
 
 
Getting back on subject, here's a typical reason why people hate Israel and it's psychotic Jewish population.

Here's an example of Palestinians enjoying their "Rights" as Israeli citizens, Hanna Amtir, a young pregnant Palestinian women who was attacked on Purim by a vicious gang of Jewish settler women at a Jerusalem light rail station. Photos of the incident clearly show the Jewish women pushing and hitting her. One image even shows a woman’s fist in her face. The photos do show as well that Amtir objected strenuously to their assault. But they do not show any physical violence on her part or that she initiated the incident.


Yet after questioning the Jewish women, the Israeli police, who like the Royal Canadian Mounties, always get their “man,” even if he’s the wrong one, decided (Hebrew) that Amtir was not the victim but the instigator. Let’s keep in mind some facts: Amtir was in a crowd alone with no other Palestinians nearby. She was pregnant. She was bundled in a coat that prevented free movement. She was surrounded by Jews. It was Purim, a holiday on which Israelis are known to get drunk and inflamed. Taking all this into account, these are the circumstanced under which Amtir is alleged to have picked a fight?

In court, the prosecutor admitted that the three Jewish settler girls first picked a fight with Amtir by cursing her and pushing her up against a wall sign. When she rebuffed them, then the altercation became physical. A Jewish eyewitness even said:

“It was almost a lynching. And no one nearby intervened to help [the victim]. They tore off her head-covering. The light rail security police stood by the entire time doing nothing, with smiles on their faces. They didn’t do anything. Just the opposite, they tried to stop me from photographing [the incident].

How much evil can there be in human beings? There is now in Jerusalem a sense of great violence and hatred.

The only thing that stopped the incident was the arrival of the train, on which all the attackers embarked, leaving the victim in pain and injured.”

So the message appears to be if you’re Palestinian you can’t defend yourself when you’re assaulted with racist shouts and shoves. You just have to grin and bear it for the sake of…for the sake of what? For the sake of Shalom Bayit? (Maintaining civil order)?
May 28th, 2013  
MontyB
 
 
Well for some reason this amused me and seemed applicable...
(I chose that particular site as it was the first link that included access to the raw data)
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65 Years Post-Holocaust, Germany Is the World’s Most Popular Country (While Israel Barely Beats North Korea)



Crossposted on Tikkun Daily
By David Harris-Gershon (@David_EHG)
This year’s Country Ratings Poll, conducted for the BBC World Service by GlobeScan/PIPA, surveyed over 26,000 people worldwide. The poll measured how positively or negatively respondents viewed 25 different countries.
Just six decades removed from the atrocities of the Holocaust, Germany now stands alone as the most positively-viewed country in the world, with 59 percent viewing the country favorably.
In contrast, Israel – partially borne out of the ashes of Nazi Germany’s genocide during World War II – is one of the least popular countries, finishing just ahead of North Korea, Pakistan, and Iran.
http://www.alternet.org/speakeasy/ti...y-while-israel
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May 28th, 2013  
hamidreza
 
Iran is the last one!?
May 28th, 2013  
MontyB
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by hamidreza
Iran is the last one!?
Well tied with Pakistan.
I would suggest that if you look at the participating countries you will see why that is, most of the nations used with the exception of China, India and Russia are within the US sphere of influence so it is a poll you were never going to win.

But looking at it in terms of international influence I would only have put you on a par with Israel maybe a fraction higher due to being more sympathetic to the Palestinian cause but your nations public relations department is pretty bad at its job and lets face it on the international stage Iran does not wield the same power that India and Russia do.

Interestingly enough it is that most of those countries are pro-western that should make Israel take notice but the reality is that they won't (delusion and denial are strong with those ones**) so next year we will have a repeat screening to chuckle about.

** Sorry but a butchered Star Wars quote seemed to fit.
May 29th, 2013  
hamidreza
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by MontyB
Well tied with Pakistan.
I would suggest that if you look at the participating countries you will see why that is, most of the nations used with the exception of China, India and Russia are within the US sphere of influence so it is a poll you were never going to win.

But looking at it in terms of international influence I would only have put you on a par with Israel maybe a fraction higher due to being more sympathetic to the Palestinian cause but your nations public relations department is pretty bad at its job and lets face it on the international stage Iran does not wield the same power that India and Russia do.

Interestingly enough it is that most of those countries are pro-western that should make Israel take notice but the reality is that they won't (delusion and denial are strong with those ones**) so next year we will have a repeat screening to chuckle about.

** Sorry but a butchered Star Wars quote seemed to fit.
We may see a change in new government after Iran presidential election two weeks later. But the reasons of our most internal and external problems are related to our positioning against Israel. From Iran nuclear activities to helping Hamas , Hezbollah , Syria and Sudan against Israel and helping oppositions in Arab states who are US allies in the region and many other things....
May 29th, 2013  
MontyB
 
 
Well if you can teach the next lot one thing teach them about perception as that is what determines how you are seen. It doesn't matter what you really are if you are perceived as a problem you will be one.
June 4th, 2013  
VDKMS
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by senojekips
Getting back on subject, here's a typical reason why people hate Israel and it's psychotic Jewish population.

Here's an example of Palestinians enjoying their "Rights" as Israeli citizens, Hanna Amtir, a young pregnant Palestinian women who was attacked on Purim by a vicious gang of Jewish settler women at a Jerusalem light rail station. Photos of the incident clearly show the Jewish women pushing and hitting her. One image even shows a woman’s fist in her face. The photos do show as well that Amtir objected strenuously to their assault. But they do not show any physical violence on her part or that she initiated the incident.


Yet after questioning the Jewish women, the Israeli police, who like the Royal Canadian Mounties, always get their “man,” even if he’s the wrong one, decided (Hebrew) that Amtir was not the victim but the instigator. Let’s keep in mind some facts: Amtir was in a crowd alone with no other Palestinians nearby. She was pregnant. She was bundled in a coat that prevented free movement. She was surrounded by Jews. It was Purim, a holiday on which Israelis are known to get drunk and inflamed. Taking all this into account, these are the circumstanced under which Amtir is alleged to have picked a fight?

In court, the prosecutor admitted that the three Jewish settler girls first picked a fight with Amtir by cursing her and pushing her up against a wall sign. When she rebuffed them, then the altercation became physical. A Jewish eyewitness even said:

“It was almost a lynching. And no one nearby intervened to help [the victim]. They tore off her head-covering. The light rail security police stood by the entire time doing nothing, with smiles on their faces. They didn’t do anything. Just the opposite, they tried to stop me from photographing [the incident].

How much evil can there be in human beings? There is now in Jerusalem a sense of great violence and hatred.

The only thing that stopped the incident was the arrival of the train, on which all the attackers embarked, leaving the victim in pain and injured.”

So the message appears to be if you’re Palestinian you can’t defend yourself when you’re assaulted with racist shouts and shoves. You just have to grin and bear it for the sake of…for the sake of what? For the sake of Shalom Bayit? (Maintaining civil order)?
Some questions about this story:

- The woman who was taking the photos of the incident is Dorit Hurdan Dotan, a radical leftist which was found in conflict areas, cursing and thrrowing stones at Israeli soldiers. She Just happend to be there with her camera?

- Her photos do not show how the incident started. There were security cameras filming.

- Hanna Amtir didn't file a complaint, why? Because of the security cameras filmed how the fight started? One of the "attackers" yelled "Don't you dare touch a Jew,". Does that mean that Hanna Amtir hit first?

- Ms. Dorit said that Hanna was attacked by Hasidi Jews. Later on said those were girls. Where did they have the time to change their genders?

- Why did Ms. Dorit waited 24 hours before going to the media with her pictures?

A possible scenario: Hanna waits for a Jewish girl passing by. Dorit Hurdan Dotan is nearby ready with her camera. Hanna hits a Jewish girl. The girl attacks Hanna and Dorit starts shooting pictures. Dorit does not call the police but send her pictures to the Palestinian and Israeli media. Mission accomplished. Hanna does not file a complaint because otherwise the security cameras reveal the truth.
But there was a problem. The "attacking" girls filed a complaint.

Ben-Gvir added that the Arab woman herself should be arrested based on footage from security cameras footage and other testimonies.
June 4th, 2013  
senojekips
 
 
You still haven't answered your statement regarding the Palestinian fighting for their land or not, you are a Hasbara troll and your controllers have left you stuck in a corner with their lies.

I have to laugh that you can completely disregard the known facts and present your "possible scenario" as an excuse.

"In court, the prosecutor admitted that the three Jewish settler girls first picked a fight with Amtir by cursing her and pushing her up against a wall sign. When she rebuffed them, then the altercation became physical. A Jewish eyewitness even said:

“It was almost a lynching. And no one nearby intervened to help [the victim]. They tore off her head-covering. The light rail security police stood by the entire time doing nothing, with smiles on their faces. They didn’t do anything. Just the opposite, they tried to stop me from photographing [the incident].
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Originally Posted by senojekips
You have made two mutually exclusive claims, one of them is a lie.

Either your earlier stories of Palestinian attacks on early Jews in Israel are a lie, or your rather stupid claim that they have never fought for their land is a lie. Make up your mind.

You are without doubt a pathological liar, attempting to defend one lie with another,... it doesn't work, not here, not anywhere.
June 4th, 2013  
MontyB
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by VDKMS
Some questions about this story:

- The woman who was taking the photos of the incident is Dorit Hurdan Dotan, a radical leftist which was found in conflict areas, cursing and thrrowing stones at Israeli soldiers. She Just happend to be there with her camera?
Something that seemingly continuously escapes Israel is that you cant sneeze in the region without someone having a recording device there to capture it.

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- Her photos do not show how the incident started. There were security cameras filming.
No but then lets skip race and religion for a second...
There you are at your local train station along with a pregnant woman, what would she have to do to get you to respond that way?

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- Hanna Amtir didn't file a complaint, why? Because of the security cameras filmed how the fight started? One of the "attackers" yelled "Don't you dare touch a Jew,". Does that mean that Hanna Amtir hit first?
Probably because she knew there would be no point in reporting it as nothing ever seems to materialise from them anyway, usually the verdict is "not enough evidence"

As for the rest does "don't you dare touch a ....." mean hit in either Spanish or Belgian?
Because in English if someone hit us we would shout "stop!!", the comment "don't you dare touch a ....." is an indignant command not a request to stop for example I might say to my dog "don't you dare crap on the carpet" but if I actually thought he was going to crap on the carpet I would just shout "Out" and move him toward the door.

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- Ms. Dorit said that Hanna was attacked by Hasidi Jews. Later on said those were girls. Where did they have the time to change their genders?
Sorry are Hasidic Jews only male?


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- Why did Ms. Dorit waited 24 hours before going to the media with her pictures?
Probably to ensure that they got published in order to avoid the "loss" of potential evidence, quite a common process when you don't trust the people in charge.

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A possible scenario: Hanna waits for a Jewish girl passing by. Dorit Hurdan Dotan is nearby ready with her camera. Hanna hits a Jewish girl. The girl attacks Hanna and Dorit starts shooting pictures. Dorit does not call the police but send her pictures to the Palestinian and Israeli media. Mission accomplished. Hanna does not file a complaint because otherwise the security cameras reveal the truth.
But there was a problem. The "attacking" girls filed a complaint.

Ben-Gvir added that the Arab woman herself should be arrested based on footage from security cameras footage and other testimonies.
Another possible scenario: Dorit goes to a location where Palestinians are being attacked with her camera and waits.
Hanna accidently bumps into or brushes by an Israeli girl on her way through the station (hence the statement don't you dare touch Jew) and the Israeli then gets brave because she has friends there backing her up and starts a fight which is then photographed.
 


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