So why do people hate Israel? - Page 141




 
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May 22nd, 2013  
Yossarian
 
 
At this junction after reading a few recent pages of this topic. Only evident observation arrives to my humble feelings of this topic.

Israel itself is a microcosm of a greater American Syndrome on foreign policy.

The reasons people hate Israel is blatantly mirrored as to why Al Qaeda hated America and had millions of Americans asking themselves on 9/11 "why do they hate us? " In a sleepish manner as if woken from a dream. Doesn't make Al Qaeda's actions just, but does clarify them.

This manner of blowback is in it's very nature nothing new. The reasons people are hostile towards Israel in it's most basic form, is due to the fact that those who feel unjustly treated, or violated by Israel are normally not met in their streets whether in Gaza or the West bank by Israeli diplomats, they are not met by Israeli ambassadors, or even business men. They are not met nor do they see Israeli's in their backyard in the form of lawyers or judges to broker a legal settlement to hostilities.

They see , as well as experience and receive soldiers instead, This is why people hate Israel. And regardless of what is happening at the top of Israel defense policy decisions, as long as the offened populations around Israel experience only armed missionaries instead of diplomats, they will hate them.

I learned this obvious revelation by observing the disconnected place America has in the 21st century, and by watching the world form it's own bitter opinion to my nation.

Seeing American bases and armed missionaries delivery our interest is more or less and exact replica to the operating doctrine of Israel towards Palestine. Understanding this fundamental nature of the beast of Empire will make understanding the sources of resentment to both Israel and the U.S., as well as all other empires that have been reduced to ( In the Words of Mr. Reagan upon the USSR) the "Ash Heap of History" much easier.

Which in itself moves at a frighteningly fast past these days it seems.
May 22nd, 2013  
senojekips
 
 
It's far simpler than that.

You can't just steal the land of another people, killing those who resist, then treating the remainder like animals, and hope to be liked.

The US has become involved because they are actively supporting these thugs.
May 22nd, 2013  
MontyB
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Yossarian
At this junction after reading a few recent pages of this topic. Only evident observation arrives to my humble feelings of this topic.

Israel itself is a microcosm of a greater American Syndrome on foreign policy.

The reasons people hate Israel is blatantly mirrored as to why Al Qaeda hated America and had millions of Americans asking themselves on 9/11 "why do they hate us? " In a sleepish manner as if woken from a dream. Doesn't make Al Qaeda's actions just, but does clarify them.

This manner of blowback is in it's very nature nothing new. The reasons people are hostile towards Israel in it's most basic form, is due to the fact that those who feel unjustly treated, or violated by Israel are normally not met in their streets whether in Gaza or the West bank by Israeli diplomats, they are not met by Israeli ambassadors, or even business men. They are not met nor do they see Israeli's in their backyard in the form of lawyers or judges to broker a legal settlement to hostilities.

They see , as well as experience and receive soldiers instead, This is why people hate Israel. And regardless of what is happening at the top of Israel defense policy decisions, as long as the offened populations around Israel experience only armed missionaries instead of diplomats, they will hate them.

I learned this obvious revelation by observing the disconnected place America has in the 21st century, and by watching the world form it's own bitter opinion to my nation.

Seeing American bases and armed missionaries delivery our interest is more or less and exact replica to the operating doctrine of Israel towards Palestine. Understanding this fundamental nature of the beast of Empire will make understanding the sources of resentment to both Israel and the U.S., as well as all other empires that have been reduced to ( In the Words of Mr. Reagan upon the USSR) the "Ash Heap of History" much easier.

Which in itself moves at a frighteningly fast past these days it seems.
Actually I think it is a bit more basic than that, it is purely and simply about the "golden rule", Israels only currency in terms of sympathetic feeling is the holocaust and for 70 years it has traded almost solely on it if someone criticises it the response is either you are anti-Semitic or "remember the holocaust", in order to justify its actions against others you get "never again" or we have the right of self defense and for 70 years western guilt has accepted this with little to no response because those in power did remember the holocaust.

However that generation is passing and you have those such as myself moving in to fill that gap and I don't remember the holocaust I have read about it, I know what it was and I know it was wrong but it rings no emotive bells for me (Stalin was right the death of one man is a tragedy, the death of millions is a statistic) all I see is what is going on today and has gone on through out my lifetime and that does not show Israel as a victim but rather an aggressor who has more in common with those that perpetrated the holocaust than those that suffered through it.

Basically the reasons people dislike Israel are many and varied but the majority of those reasons are founded in Israels actions over the last 70 year few of which have had a positive bias and most of which have been of a state predatory by nature who is still trying to trade on an event less and less people remember or still see as relevant.
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May 22nd, 2013  
Del Boy
 
Israeli Arabs have more rights than any of those in the Arab countries of the middle east. Discuss.
May 22nd, 2013  
MontyB
 
 
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Originally Posted by Del Boy
Israeli Arabs have more rights than any of those in the Arab countries of the middle east. Discuss.
On paper you may well be right however institutionally not even the Israelis agree with you, as with many things there is a difference between what is supposed to happen and what actually does happen.



Source November 2012 Brookings poll.
May 22nd, 2013  
senojekips
 
 
I seriously question the mentality of someone who would make such a stupid statement in view of the huge amount of evidence to the contrary. It's like saying "Kim Jong-un is a really nice person because he provides his people with colourful parades", it is only true so long as it is considered in complete isolation. When looked at in it's entirety is is blatantly untrue.

Any alleged "Rights" are hugely outweighed by the pro active discrimination against Israeli Arab "citizens"
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Originally Posted by Institute of Middle Eastern Understanding
Institutionalized Discrimination.
There are more than 30 laws that discriminate against Palestinian citizens of Israel, directly or indirectly - based solely on their ethnicity, rendering them second or third class citizens in their own homeland.

93% of the land in Israel is owned either by the state or by quasi-governmental agencies, such as the Jewish National Fund, that discriminate against non-Jews. Palestinian citizens of Israel face significant legal obstacles in gaining access to this land for agriculture, residence, or commercial development.

More than seventy Palestinian villages and communities in Israel, some of which pre-date the establishment of the state, are unrecognized by the government, receive no services, and are not even listed on official maps. Many other towns with a majority Palestinian population lack basic services and receive significantly less government funding than do majority-Jewish towns.

Since Israel's founding in 1948, more than 600 Jewish municipalities have been established, while not a single new Arab town or community has been recognized by the state.

Israeli government resources are disproportionately directed to Jews and not to Arabs, one factor in causing the Palestinians of Israel to suffer the lowest living standards in Israeli society by all socio-economic indicators.

Government funding for Arab schools is far below that of Jewish schools. According to data published in 2004, the government provides three times as much funding to Jewish students than it does to Arab students.

According to the 2009 US State Department International Religious Freedom Report, “Many of the national and municipal policies in Jerusalem were designed to limit or diminish the non-Jewish population of Jerusalem.”

In the Spring of 2011, Jerusalem city councilman Yakir Segev stated: “We will not allow residents of the eastern [occupied Palestinian] part of the city to build as much as they need... At the end of the day, however politically incorrect it may be to say, we will also look at the demographic situation in Jerusalem to make sure that in another 20 years we don't wake up in an Arab city.”

The Nationality and Entry into Israel Law prevents Palestinians from the occupied territories who are married to Palestinian citizens of Israel from gaining residency or citizenship status. The law forces thousands of Palestinian citizens of Israel to either leave Israel or live apart from their families.

In October 2010, the Knesset approved a bill allowing smaller Israeli towns to reject residents who do not suit "the community's fundamental outlook", based on sex, religion, and socioeconomic status. Critics slammed the move as an attempt to allow Jewish towns to keep Arabs and other non-Jews out.

The so-called "Nakba Bill" bans state funding for groups that commemorate the tragedy that befell Palestinians during Israel's creation in 1948, when approx. 750,000 Palestinian Arabs were ethnically cleansed to make way for a Jewish majority state.

The British Mandate-era Land (Acquisition for Public Purposes) Ordinance law allows the Finance Minster to confiscate land for "public purposes.” The state has used this law extensively, in conjunction with other laws such as the Land Acquisition Law and the Absentees' Property Law, to confiscate Palestinian land in Israel. A new amendment, which was adopted in February 2010, confirms state ownership of land confiscated under this law, even where it has not been used to serve the original confiscation purpose. The amendment was designed to prevent Arab citizens from submitting lawsuits to reclaim confiscated land.

Over the entirety of its 63-year existence, there has been a period of only about one year (1966-1967) that Israel did not rule over large numbers of Palestinians to whom it granted no political rights.

Former Israeli prime ministers Ehud Barak and Ehud Olmert have both warned that a continuation of the occupation will lead to Israel becoming an "apartheid" state. Barak stated: "As long as in this territory west of the Jordan river there is only one political entity called Israel it is going to be either non-Jewish, or non-democratic… If this bloc of millions of Palestinians cannot vote, that will be an apartheid state."

Archbishop Desmond Tutu and Nelson Mandela, heroes of the struggle against apartheid in South Africa, have both compared Israel's treatment of Palestinians to apartheid.

Today, there is a virtual caste system within the territories that Israel controls between the Jordan River and Mediterranean Sea, with Israeli Jews at the top and Muslim and Christian Palestinians in the occupied territories at the bottom. In between are Palestinians with Israeli citizenship and Palestinian residents of occupied East Jerusalem.

Increasing intolerance for dissent & diversity in Israel

In September 2011 a survey found that a third of Israeli Jews don’t consider Arab citizens to be real Israelis.

According to a February 2011 survey, 52% of Israeli Jews would be willing to limit press freedoms to protect the state's image, while 55% would accept limits on the right to oppose the government's "defense policy.”

Also in September 2011, Dov Lior, the chief rabbi of settlements in Hebron and Kiryat Arba, told a conference that Arabs are “wolves,” “savages,” and “evil camel riders.”

A poll done by the Israel Democracy Institute and released in January 2011 found that nearly half of Israeli Jews don't want to live next door to an Arab.

In January 2011 the Yedioth Ahronoth newspaper reported that civics teachers around the country were complaining of rampant, virulent anti-Arab racism amongst their Jewish students. One teacher said, "When we have a discussion in class about equal rights, the class immediately gets out of control… The students attack us, the teachers, for being leftist and anti-Semitic, and say that all the Arab citizens who want to destroy Israel should be transferred." Another said: "We're not talking about a minority, or children from families that have extreme political views, but about normal children who are afflicted with ignorance… The political discourse in recent years has given them the legitimacy to be prejudiced."

In November 2010 the chief rabbi of the town of Safed, Shmuel Eliyahu, issued a ruling forbidding Jews from renting property to Arabs. Eliyahu had previously advocated hanging the children of terrorists.

In December 2010, dozens of municipal chief rabbis on the government payroll signed a letter supporting Eliyahu and his decree prohibiting Jews from renting property to non-Jews. One of the signatories, Rabbi Yosef Scheinen, head of the Ashdod Yeshiva (religious school), stated, "Racism originated in the Torah… The land of Israel is designated for the people of Israel."

In December 2010, the wives of 30 prominent rabbis signed an open letter calling on Jewish women not to date or work with Arabs. The letter stated: "For your sake, for the sake of future generations, and so you don't undergo horrible suffering, we turn to you with a request, a plea, a prayer. Don't date non-Jews, don't work at places that non-Jews frequent, and don't do national service with non-Jews.”

According to a September 2010 poll, half of Israeli Jewish students don't want Arabs in their classrooms, while an earlier survey found about the same number oppose equal rights for Arabs.

In September 2010, the spiritual leader of the Shas party (which sits in PM Benjamin Netanyahu’s coalition government), Rabbi Ovadia Yosef, declared that non-Jews were created to “serve” Jews, stating that: "Goyim [non-Jews] were born only to serve us. Without that, they have no place in the world - only to serve the People of Israel... Why are gentiles needed? They will work, they will plow, they will reap. We will sit like an effendi and eat. That is why gentiles were created.”

In August 2010, on the eve of peace talks in Washington, Yosef delivered a sermon describing Palestinians as "evil, bitter enemies" and calling on god to make them "perish from this world" by striking them with a plague.

In 2001, Yosef, delivered a sermon in which he stated: "It is forbidden to be merciful to [Arabs]. You must send missiles to them and annihilate them. They are evil and damnable…The Lord shall return the Arabs' deeds on their own heads, waste their seed and exterminate them, devastate them and vanish them from this world.”

In August 2010, Rabbi Yitzhak Shapira, head of a state-funded religious school in the West Bank settlement of Yitzhar, published a book that condoned the murder of non-Jewish children on the grounds that they may grow up to pose a threat to the state, writing that non-Jews are "uncompassionate by nature" and attacks against them "curb their evil inclination.” Several other prominent rabbis subsequently endorsed the book.

In July, 2009, Israel's Housing Minister, Ariel Atlas, warned against the "spread" of Israel's Arab population and said that Arabs and Jews shouldn't live together, stating: "if we go on like we have until now, we will lose the Galilee. Populations that should not mix are spreading there. I don't think that it is appropriate for [Jews and Arabs] to live together."
May 24th, 2013  
Hutchie
 
I find it ironic that they are forced to be neighbors. Reminds me of a married couple that I once knew. They were both total azzholes, I figured they deserved each other.
May 24th, 2013  
senojekips
 
 
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Originally Posted by Hutchie
I find it ironic that they are forced to be neighbors. Reminds me of a married couple that I once knew. They were both total azzholes, I figured they deserved each other.
You really need to read a little of the history of the matter, and you'll soon find that there is only one @rsehole and the Palestinians did nothing to deserve them.
May 27th, 2013  
Del Boy
 
Reuters:


Earlier on Sunday, two rockets were fired into a Shi'ite district of southern Beirut after Hezbollah leader Hassan Nasrallah pledged his Shi'ite Muslim guerrilla group would fight in Syria until victory for President Bashar al-Assad.

Assad is battling a two-year rebellion in which the United Nations says at least 80,000 people have been killed.


Discuss.
May 27th, 2013  
hamidreza
 
Hezbollah is supporting Syrian people against Vahabi and Salafi terrorists who are supported by west and Arab traitor regimes' dollars and weapons. Assad is a real man in the ME and his army will be loyal to him forever. It is the thing I had said in this forum 2 years ago.
Here it is Israel who wants to use this opportunity for her like a hyena. They attacked Syria hypocritically one month ago and now they hide in their hole after Russia threaten for selling S300 to Syria.
( now the question is why other Syria's neighbors didn't attack Syria, especially Turkey?)
 


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