So why do people hate Israel? - Page 140




 
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May 16th, 2013  
senojekips
 
 
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Originally Posted by VDKMS
They were not fighting for their country, they only wanted the Jews out.
So fighting to get the enemies out of your land is not fighting for your land? Your childishly pathetic lies are catching up with you at every turn. Semantics won't work VD, your own earlier arguments have totally destroyed your present argument
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the Zionists provoked increasingly fierce Arab resistance and attacks against the Jewish population (most notably in the preceding 1929 Hebron massacre, the activities of the Black Hand, and during the 1936-1939 Arab revolt in Palestine). The British-appointed Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, Amin al-Husayni, led opposition to the idea of turning part of Palestine into a Jewish state.[4] He objected to any form of Jewish homeland on what he regarded as Arab land and organized attacks against Jews, initially with British support.[9][4]
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Thousands of non Palestinian Arab troops were already in Palestine ready to attack the Jews.
Thank you for another instance of locals wanting the Jews out of their land.
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As a former military I think you must know what that means, don't you?
Another red herring VD?... What has that to do with the Palestinians allegedly not fighting for their land? He led them, and they fought the Turks. It is a matter of history.
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Who's making things up???
Quite obviously, you are.
It is a matter of history that the Palestinians have fought for their land since the arrival of the Zionists and they are still doing it to this day, or are the reports of suicide bombers, children throwing rocks at occupying troops and the "thousands" of Quassam rockets merely more lies you've just made up.

Your problem other than being a pathological liar, is that in your efforts to justify Jewish atrocities you have destroyed the argument you now rely on, firstly telling us all how hard the Palestinians have resisted the Jewish occupation of their land, you are now trying to say the reverse.

Sorry, but you have failed again, so don't bother countering your lies with more of the same.
May 17th, 2013  
Del Boy
 
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Of course I'm in love with myself. Its no wonder Spike has you on ignore, trying to debate with a cretin like you is soul destroying.
All you have to do is retreat behind your ignore button .



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Delivery boy? Thats all you are good for. You really must stop telling lies, you want to be seen as Del Boy in Only fools and horses, you are not jack the lad Gay Boy you are an idiot. If you wanted to be Delivery Boy as you claim, why didn't you use it?
Just think about it. Too much for you. Just think, it only takes a moment.
Remember that I do not lie; remember, I told you, I told you once before. I always deliver.
You still sticking to your gay nonsense I see; ah well - each to his own.



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Oh I've seen your type all too often and yes you are a pathetic little man.
I am delighted to inform you that there is only one me. You must be confusing me with Tom Cruise.



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Admire your idea's? You haven't got an original idea in your head.
In that case you had better check your recent posts!

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I was thinking more like Kings Cross, isn't that where you go to pick up other gays?
If I were you, I would stop going there. Never having been there, I can't help you on that one, except to warn you against going there; you can get treatment for that you know.



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Concerned for your health? Far from it Gay Boy.
Oops - there you go again with the gay thing; You will just have to try to supress it somehow. Don't mix with those rude boys.

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Head/Brain fine and strong???
Yeah - great news ain't it. I am celebrating like that. Imagine, a clean bill of health at my age - you have to laugh don't you. Thanks anyway.


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All you are is a bunch of replacement parts.
I know, I know! just one new hip in 77 years. Unbelievable ain't it - well, that's just good old fashioned happy times are here again! And here you are, celebrating with me

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Five spouses? I'm not surprised, they all got fed up with you in the end. A man of honour? You will never be a man of honour while you have got a hole in your bum. Respect from all who know you??? If we were to kill everybody who hates you, it wouldn't be murder; it would be genocide!
Stop it you are splitting my sides.

Roman Catholic? That explains a lot.
I know, I know. But strange as you might find it - it gets even better!As well as all those spouses, still here, I might add - I also have a WIFE. Yes my friend (Oops) I happen to be married to the most beautiful girl in the world; how about that; and never lost anyone. You have to laugh don't you - you know - Tom Cruise and all that! And Roman Catholic too. Wow! Stop it now you are splitting my sides. Or in your case - perhaps it is your stake trying to get out.

Now listen to me, some advice after all our fun; you must give up all that gay stuff, stick to women. I suppose when you can't supress it it must be like Turrettes syndrome. Resist my boy - resist. Listen to your old uncle Del Boy;[/QUOTE]
May 17th, 2013  
MontyB
 
 
This is a collective comment and not an individual one but some days I would love to know what the collective age of this forum is because there are days when I suspect age and wisdom do not necessarily follow the traditional path.
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May 17th, 2013  
VDKMS
 
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Originally Posted by senojekips
So fighting to get the enemies out of your land is not fighting for your land? Your childishly pathetic lies are catching up with you at every turn. Semantics won't work VD, your own earlier arguments have totally destroyed your present argument
"Their" land was gone, it used to be Turkish Ottoman. One of the "Palestinian" leaders Haj Amin al-Husseini (the Nazi collaborator, remember) wanted an Arab Kingdom of Syria and not a Palestine. The Arabs who fought with the allies and led by Hussein bin Ali (Sharif of Mecca) wanted a Federal Arab State and didn't mind the Jews, who also fought with the allies. Ever heard of the Faisal–Weizmann Agreement?

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Thank you for another instance of locals wanting the Jews out of their land.
Open your eyes when you read. Non-Palestinians Arabs are not local Palestinians.

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Another red herring VD?... What has that to do with the Palestinians allegedly not fighting for their land? He led them, and they fought the Turks. It is a matter of history.
Did he fight in Palestine or not? You claim he did, I claim he didn't. Show me a fact that he led the Palestinians against the Turks. You'll have a hard time doing so because after the Turks surrender Jerusalem to British forces, including Australian, Jewish, Indian and NZ forces, NO Arabs, the Balfour Declaration paves the way for a Jewish homeland in Palestine. In the hope that control of Damascus will legitimize Arab claims for independence, Lawrence leads the Arabs in an allied race for the city. In case you don't know or before you say something stupid, Damascus is in Syria.

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Quite obviously, you are.
It is a matter of history that the Palestinians have fought for their land since the arrival of the Zionists and they are still doing it to this day, or are the reports of suicide bombers, children throwing rocks at occupying troops and the "thousands" of Quassam rockets merely more lies you've just made up.
When are you going to understand that this is a religious problem. It hasn't to do anything with the arrival of the Zionists. It all has to do with non-muslims governing muslim land. Who incited the riots against the Jews? Clerics! Suicide bombers you say? Religious.
""Suicide bomber" is a derogatory term invented in the West to try and describe what in Islam is known as a Fedayeen or Shahid... a martyr. The point of the bomber isn't suicide - it is to kill infidels in battle. This is not just permitted by Muhammad, but encouraged with liberal promises of earthy rewards in heaven, including food and sex."

Throwing rocks at Jews? Religious.
"“In former times–and in remote places even today–it was common for Muslim schoolboys to stone Jews. When the Turks conquered Yemen in 1872, an envoy was sent from the Chief Rabbi of Istanbul to inquire what grievance the Yemenite Jews had against their neighbors. It is indicative that the first thing of which they complained was this molestation by the schoolboys. But when the Turkish Governor asked an assembly of notables to stop this nuisance, there arose an old doctor of Muslim law and explained that this stone-throwing at Jews was an age-old custom (in Arabic ‘Ada) and therefore it was unlawful to forbid it.”
Jews and Arabs: Their Contacts Through the Ages by Shelomo Dov Goitein * , 1955"

"thousands" of Quassam rockets. Article 7 of the Hama covenant. Religious.
"Moreover, if the links have been distant from each other and if obstacles, placed by those who are the lackeys of Zionism in the way of the fighters obstructed the continuation of the struggle, the Islamic Resistance Movement aspires to the realisation of Allah's promise, no matter how long that should take. The Prophet, Allah bless him and grant him salvation, has said:

"The Day of Judgement will not come about until Moslems fight the Jews (killing the Jews), when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say O Moslems, O Abdulla, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him. Only the Gharkad tree, (evidently a certain kind of tree) would not do that because it is one of the trees of the Jews." (related by al-Bukhari and Moslem)."


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Your problem other than being a pathological liar, is that in your efforts to justify Jewish atrocities you have destroyed the argument you now rely on, firstly telling us all how hard the Palestinians have resisted the Jewish occupation of their land, you are now trying to say the reverse.

Sorry, but you have failed again, so don't bother countering your lies with more of the same.
Still using Nazi techniques? First accuse the other of lying and then counter with another lie. The atrocities are the rockets fired at Israel.
So far, the Palestinians have not accepted the partition plan. The Un Palestine Mandate still stands.
May 17th, 2013  
senojekips
 
 
I didn't even bother reading it VD. It's obviously all bullsh!t, you've backed yourself into a corner and you know it, but of course that doesn't stop you just churning out more excuses.

You have made two mutually exclusive claims, one of them is a lie.

Either your earlier stories of Palestinian attacks on early Jews in Israel are a lie, or your rather stupid claim that they have never fought for their land is a lie. Make up your mind.

You are without doubt a pathological liar, attempting to defend one lie with another,... it doesn't work, not here, not anywhere.
May 18th, 2013  
Del Boy
 
As we now have the collective confirmed, I must admit that VDKMS has taken your champion apart and wiped the floor with all ridiculous desperate attempts to demonise him. For collective, though, we have to recognise they actually refer to disgusting bluster and bullying of any who dare respond with alternative viewpoints.

As for little ol' me, I am always prepared to meet vile propaganda and attempts at demonising head on.

Just a reminder. If you decide to hurl diabolical insult at me you will surely get it right back .
You don't get to reach 78 years by being stupid.

And remember as you try to butter-up (see what I did there?) to your great leader - "In the land of blind, the one-eyed man is king."

You are boring me now. A bit of fishing called for perhaps ; Praise the Lord and pass the ammunition.

Edit; Don't miss Eurovision tonight. Bonnie Tyler is back.
May 19th, 2013  
Del Boy
 
That is complete tosh. The insults were absolutely led by you - I responded.

You were spoiling for a scrap and more's the pity, you got one. The levels were yours and frankly were low-life in all repects.

I will always be ready to re-act reasonably, but if goaded I can do as well as anyone else.
May 20th, 2013  
MontyB
 
 
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Originally Posted by VDKMS
"Their" land was gone, it used to be Turkish Ottoman. One of the "Palestinian" leaders Haj Amin al-Husseini (the Nazi collaborator, remember) wanted an Arab Kingdom of Syria and not a Palestine. The Arabs who fought with the allies and led by Hussein bin Ali (Sharif of Mecca) wanted a Federal Arab State and didn't mind the Jews, who also fought with the allies. Ever heard of the Faisal–Weizmann Agreement?
In an attempt to steer things away from the current spiral bordering on a second childhood I present this...

Can you prove no "Palestinian" Arabs fought with Lawrence?
It is a very easy argument to say Lawrence did not fight in Palestine primarily because he didn't have to as the British were already there but to argue no Palestinians were fighting is a giant leap after all no Germans invaded New Zealand but New Zealanders fighting in France on the Western front were still fighting for New Zealand.
Therefore it is possible for people to be fighting for their land in someone elses land.

Now on the subject of T.E. Lawrence I decided to read some of his works they are interesting...

T. E. Lawrence's letter to Sir Mark Sykes, 9 September 1917.

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Sykes's letter to Clayton of 22 July 1917 also contained a passing reference to the Zionist question. It was well known that he was interested in this subject, and the British staff in Egypt also knew that some kind of discussions on the matter were taking place in London. Jewish ambitions in Palestine were common knowledge in Cairo, where Aaron Aaronson, a prominent figure in the movement, was hoping to set up a Zionist office. Lawrence had good reason to be interested in a question that so obviously affected the aspirations of the Palestinian Arabs.
On September 7th, he wrote to Sykes at length, asking both about Zionist aims and about the future of the Sykes-Picot Agreement. He sent this letter to Clayton, with the comment: 'Some of it is really thirst for information, and other is only a wish to stick pins into him . . . One must have the Jewish section cleared up: and I fancy we may (if we win) clear up the French section ourselves.'


Lawrence wrote to Sykes: 'General Clayton showed me a letter from you which contained a message to myself - and this has prompted me to ask you a few queries about Near East affairs. I hope you will be able to give me an idea of how matters stand in reference to them, since part of the responsibility of action is inevitably thrown on to me, and unless I know more or less what is wanted there might be trouble.
'About the Jews in Palestine, Feisal has agreed not to operate or agitate west of the Araba-Dead Sea-Jordan line, or south of the Haifa-Beisan line . . .

'You know of course the root differences between the Palestine Jew and the colonist Jew: to Feisal the important point is that the former speak Arabic, and the latter German Yiddish. He is in touch with the Arab Jews (their H.Q. at Safed and Tiberias is in his sphere) and they are ready to help him, on conditions.



They show a strong antipathy to the colonist Jews, and have even suggested repressive measures against them. Feisal has ignored this point hitherto, and will continue to do so. His attempts to get into touch with the colonial Jews have not been very fortunate. They say they have made their arrangements with the Great Powers, and wish no contact with the Arab Party. They will not help the Turks or the Arabs.


'Now Feisal wants to know (information had better come to me for him since I usually like to make up my mind before he does) what is the arrangement standing between the colonist Jews (called Zionists sometimes) and the Allies . . . What have you promised the Zionists, and what is their programme?



'I saw Aaronson in Cairo, and he said at once the Jews intended to acquire the land-rights of all Palestine from Gaza to Haifa, and have practical autonomy therein. Is this acquisition to be by fair purchase or by forced sale and expropriation? The present half-crop peasantry were the old freeholders and under Moslem landlords may be ground down but have fixity of tenure. Arabs are usually not employed by Jewish colonies. Do the Jews propose the complete expulsion of the Arab peasantry, or their reduction to a day-labourer class?


'You know how the Arabs cling even to bad land and will realise that while Arab feelings didn't matter under Turkish rule . . . the condition will be vastly different if there is a new, independent, and rather ****-a-hoop Arab state north and east and south of the Jewish state.
I can see a situation arising in which the Jewish influence in European finance might not be sufficient to deter the Arab peasants from refusing to quit - or worse!
Seems that he could see what was going to happen in 1917 and it would appear that not only could he and the Arab Palestinians tell the difference between local Jews and Colonist Jews but neither the Arab Jew, Christian nor the Arab Moslem liked them either.

Oh and given that Lawrence's maps show his and the Arab army's trek from Aqaba to Amman crossing into Palestine I think you are trying to develop a rather tenuous argument relying more on semantics than facts.
May 20th, 2013  
senojekips
 
 
Monty, he has not returned to the Forum since I proved that he (like all Hasbara Trolls), is a blatant liar who like their Zionist masters, will say and do absolutely anything to get their way, even to the point where they have to rely on mutually exclusive arguments.

The only difference between VD and D.J. is that at least D.J. has the common sense and perhaps even a streak of moral pride, to realise that the world is now fast waking up to the last 100+ years of Zionist lies, deceit and murder, and that repeating lies in support of it is soon going to be shown for what it is.
May 20th, 2013  
Del Boy
 
Monty.

Thank you for your attempt. In that respect you have my approval, my interest and my silence.
 


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