So why do people hate Israel? - Page 138




 
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May 11th, 2013  
operationmatador
 
Stand with Israel and Israel Defense Forces against barbars

live in a north west african country called Mauritania,between Morocco and Senegal,country in which Israel made a fantastic work in training local army and security forces,which made them and maintains them efficient against terrorism

Israel is the only democracy of Middle East and the only country of region honestly engaged against terrorism,no one else,none,definitely,definitely,
May 11th, 2013  
senojekips
 
 
Before you go much further you should read the rules for posting here. The Hasbara troll method of "flooding" posts is not allowed here.

You can only make one post at a time on any thread.

Other than That it has already been pointed out that Israel is a state that has over 30 laws that disadvantage people who are not Jews is NOT a democracy.
May 11th, 2013  
VDKMS
 
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Originally Posted by MontyB
My first job out of university was in a laboratory and it was company policy that labs were equipped with certain items and some items not on the list were not allowed, we needed an Atomic Absorption Spectrophotometer for a job but weren't allowed to buy one because it wasn't in our equipment list however we had an unlimited maintenance budget so we purchased an old broken down one for a few dollars and then called in maintenance who told us it couldn't be fixed and had to be replaced consequently 2 weeks later our replacement AAS arrived.

Can you see a theme there?

Basically there are ways around everything and policies on paper are not necessarily enforced or enacted in real life.
What you did was on paper but not in a straight line. The rules allowed you to buy things not on the list and the maintenance was allowed to fix it and even replace it with a new one. It all comes down on how well those rules are made and when infringed what will be done about it. You can fix things between two or more parties but when it ends up in court it's the law that counts.

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Yes and so does Israel which is pretty much why they are not liked, me I don't think it was ever meant to have existed at all.

While in Jordan I was lucky enough to be there for work which meant I got to spend time talking to staff in a work type environment (informal) this topic came up what surprised me is that most of them didn't regard Israel with hatred but with distrust the general consensus was that once they had completed the creeping annexation of the West Bank they would start on Jordan next primarily because they are rebuilding some ancient kingdom.

I was really doing my best to lead the discussion to see if someone would mention it, congratulation you did.

It isn't all that hard to understand why Israel is not liked when surrounding nations see it as a predator nation akin to a virus, countries like mine find Israel in the news frequently for identity theft (which in a country that travels a lot is a big thing), many others have caught them spying or assassinating someone and who on the whole act like spoiled school children on the international stage.

I think the general consensus is that few people really give a flying rats arse about Israel and I really don't think all that many people out side Israel would lose a lot of sleep if it vanished over night but one thing is for sure the world is growing less and less tolerant of its actions.

So now we have come full circle and answered why people hate Israel, it may not be an answer you like or want to hear but it is the answer none the less.
Well, my point of view is completely the opposite. Israel never did things like this :
- the ’72 Munich Olympic Games, where Palestinian terrorists massacred 11 Israeli athletes during an event meant to be a celebration of brotherhood and peace.
- the horrific 1972 Lod Airport massacre where terrorists shot dead 26 civilians waiting for their flights, including 17 Christian pilgrims.
- the 1985 attack by Yasser Arafat’s forces on the Achille Lauro cruise ship, where an old disabled man was thrown overboard in his wheelchair for the crime of being a Jew.
It's from this article : A Native and a Zionist
It starts with this :
"I am a Métis from Northern Alberta. My father, Mervin Bellerose, co-authored the Métis Settlements Act of 1989, which was passed by the Alberta legislature in 1990 and cemented our land rights. I founded Canadians For Accountability, a native rights advocacy group, and I am an organizer and participant in the Idle No More movement in Calgary. And I am a Zionist.
Let me tell you why."
Look at the facts and you'll know it's all BS what they say about Israel.
Why did the "Palestinians" started their attack on Jews living in Jerusalem for longer than they were instead of the immigrants? Tell me.
Why did Syria, Jordan, Iraq and Egypt attacked Israel when the foundation of that country took not one square inch of their territory? Tell me.
They advised the Palestinians to go out of their way and when things went bad they didn't help those people, why? Tell me.
Israel did not expell the Palestinians when occupying the West Bank, Jordan did expell all the Jews from the West Bank when they annexed it.
A report submitted by a United Nations subcommittee on Nov. 11, 1947 estimated that there were 407,000 Arabs other than Bedouin living in the part that would become Israel and in 2006, the official number of Arab residents in Israel was 1,413,500. You call an increase of 1 million genocide? Explain it to me.
This means that in 2006 there were more Arabs living in Israel than in 1946 in the whole of Palestine (1,2 million - UN document A/364 3 September 1947).

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Originally Posted by senojekips
Before you go much further you should read the rules for posting here. The Hasbara troll method of "flooding" posts is not allowed here.

You can only make one post at a time on any thread.

Other than That it has already been pointed out that Israel is a state that has over 30 laws that disadvantage people who are not Jews is NOT a democracy.
Instead of your usual litany you would better give some facts.
Attacking a new member is not a way to welcome him. Counter him with facts. But you can't, can you?
Did you also tell hem how many posts of you were removed because you did not comply with the rules of the forum?
Before attacking attacking Israel you better look at your own country.
Aboriginal Rights.. If everyone was watching your country as they do Israel you would beat them in UN convictions.
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May 12th, 2013  
MontyB
 
 
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Originally Posted by senojekips
To paraphrase an idiot on this thread, "where is your proof". Remembering that Aboriginals get more than double the government support per capita than the remainder of the population.


Yeah I guess you are sympathetic as he is committing the same crimes as yourself, I seem to remember you doing the same (multi posting).

Why would I welcome someone who supports a Nazi like regime, with drivel?
I will be honest with you and say that I think both Australia and New Zealand have had a pretty appalling record in dealing with Aboriginal rights and in many respects I would be happy to put us alongside Israel if not for one thing, in the last 30-40 years we have made every effort to rectify these issues and this process is ongoing where as Israel has no genuine attempts to clean up its act it just plays lip service to laws it never enforces and tries to sell itself as a victim.

However in the end I think Israel itself is the greatest advert for why people dislike it after all can a nation that thinks along these lines:
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Israel pulls ads wooing ex-pats after strong criticism from Jews


By Daily Mail Reporter
UPDATED: 07:06 GMT, 3 December 2011

An ad showing a young girl on her mother’s lap, video-chatting with her grandparents, who live in Israel, has been pulled following severe criticism.
When the Jewish grandmother asks the child what holiday it is, she replies 'Christmas!' instead of Hanukkah and the joy drains from the grandparents’ disappointed faces.
The Hebrew-language spot, titled, 'It's time to return to Israel before Hanukkah becomes Christmas,' was removed from the Israeli Ministry of Immigrant Absorption’s YouTube channel Friday after it unleashed a storm criticism from many Jews.
be a state any normal person would want to live in, until Israel disposes of the delusion of racial superiority it will always be a pariah.
May 12th, 2013  
senojekips
 
 
(The original post deleted and reposted due to significant addition)

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Originally Posted by VDKMS
Before attacking attacking Israel you better look at your own country.
Aboriginal Rights.. If everyone was watching your country as they do Israel you would beat them in UN convictions.
I think that answering this latest unbelievably stupid and ill thought comment of yours will give me more pleasure than any other post I have ever made on this Forum, (or probably any other) as it will not only show what an idiot you are, but also give other readers here an insight as to how and where you get your "knuckle dragging Neanderthal" ideas, supporting the blatant murder and disenfranchisement of colonised peoples.

So,... you want "Facts",... And exactly what nationality are you? What an idiot you are, it seem you only take one foot out of your mouth in an attempt to get both feet in at once,... and it would appear that you achieve this with great ease. Take a good look at the picture below.

Do you know who it is?...

Most people in the civilised world have never really heard of him. But you should have. When you see his face or hear his name you should get as sick in your stomach as when you read about Heinrich Himmler or Adolph Hitler, or see one of their pictures. You see, this mongrel was responsible for the deaths of over 10 million people in the Congo and the mutilation of many more.
His name is King Leopold II of Belgium
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In the 23 years (1885-1908) Leopold II ruled the Congo his agents massacred 10 million Africans, cutting off their hands and genitals, flogging them to death, starving them into forced labour, holding children ransom and burning villages.
Not only is this 166% greater than the total number of Jews estimated to have been exterminated in the holocaust, it is more than 30 times the estimated total population of Aboriginals in Australia at the time of white colonisation [c.314,000] and all of this was taking place at a time when it had been a Capital Offence to murder an Aboriginal in Australia for over 70 years.

You might also care to note: Of the Aboriginals who did die due to the arrival of White man, more than 90% were due to introduced diseases like measles and smallpox. (diseases for which there was no known cure at the time).


Remembering that Aboriginals get more than double the government support per capita than the remainder of the Australian population.
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Originally Posted by ABC News
Governments spend twice as much on Aborigines

A Productivity Commission report of the 2008-09 financial year has found federal, state and territory governments spent more than $40,000 per person on Aboriginal Australians.
It says that compares to about $18,500 for each non-Indigenous Australian.
Source: http://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-02-28/governments-spend-twice-as-much-on-aborigines/1961738
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Originally Posted by VDKMS
Attacking a new member is not a way to welcome him. Counter him with facts. But you can't, can you?
Yeah I guess you are sympathetic as he is committing the same stupid mistakes as you did, I seem to remember you doing the same, attempting to flood threads with drivel. ( multi posting). There is absolutely nothing to counter. (nearly 50% of his stupidity is just exclamation points!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

Why would I welcome a thug who supports a Nazi like regime, with drivel such as he has posted so far? To be honest, just like yourself, he isn't worthy of the courtesy of a reply, in fact you two make a good pair, totally deserving of each other. He's not your twin is he?
May 12th, 2013  
VDKMS
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by senojekips
(The original post deleted and reposted due to significant addition)

I think that answering this latest unbelievably stupid and ill thought comment of yours will give me more pleasure than any other post I have ever made on this Forum, (or probably any other) as it will not only show what an idiot you are, but also give other readers here an insight as to how and where you get your "knuckle dragging Neanderthal" ideas, supporting the blatant murder and disenfranchisement of colonised peoples.

So,... you want "Facts",... And exactly what nationality are you? What an idiot you are, it seem you only take one foot out of your mouth in an attempt to get both feet in at once,... and it would appear that you achieve this with great ease. Take a good look at the picture below.

Do you know who it is?...

Most people in the civilised world have never really heard of him. But you should have. When you see his face or hear his name you should get as sick in your stomach as when you read about Heinrich Himmler or Adolph Hitler, or see one of their pictures. You see, this mongrel was responsible for the deaths of over 10 million people in the Congo and the mutilation of many more.
His name is King Leopold II of Belgium
Not only is this 166% greater than the total number of Jews estimated to have been exterminated in the holocaust, it is more than 30 times the estimated total population of Aboriginals in Australia at the time of white colonisation [c.314,000] and all of this was taking place at a time when it had been a Capital Offence to murder an Aboriginal in Australia for over 70 years.

You might also care to note: Of the Aboriginals who did die due to the arrival of White man, more than 90% were due to introduced diseases like measles and smallpox. (diseases for which there was no known cure at the time).
I know him and I despise him. But may I remind you that the Congo was his personal property from 1885 until it became a Belgian colony in 1908. Congo was given back to its native people in 1960. When is Australia giving back the land to the native people?

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Remembering that Aboriginals get more than double the government support per capita than the remainder of the Australian population.
A reader of that article wrote :
"I suspect the large majority of this money is spent paying administrators, aborigine awareness organisers, psychiatric advisors, sociological advisors etc. They could semd every abo an annual cheque for $40,000 and cut out the middleman but I suspect the middlemen would object."


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Yeah I guess you are sympathetic as he is committing the same stupid mistakes as you did, I seem to remember you doing the same, attempting to flood threads with drivel. ( multi posting). There is absolutely nothing to counter. (nearly 50% of his stupidity is just exclamation points!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

Why would I welcome a thug who supports a Nazi like regime, with drivel such as he has posted so far? To be honest, just like yourself, he isn't worthy of the courtesy of a reply, in fact you two make a good pair, totally deserving of each other. He's not your twin is he?
Again a lot of words but no substance. When will you ever learn?
May 12th, 2013  
senojekips
 
 
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Originally Posted by VDKMS
I know him and I despise him.
Liar! You eagerly emulate all the very worst of his principles and promote them at every opportunity.

Quote:
Originally Posted by VDKMS
A reader of that article wrote :
"I suspect the large majority of this money is spent paying administrators, aborigine awareness organisers, psychiatric advisors, sociological advisors etc. They could semd every abo an annual cheque for $40,000 and cut out the middleman but I suspect the middlemen would object
That reader is probably very close to the truth, but it doesn't mean what you think. Bearing in mind that nearly all of the administrators who actually handle the cash, are Aboriginals themselves, and this is as a result of their own decision. The Australian Taxpayers know the problems, and we know the the way towards curing them, but are hamstrung in implementing any cure by the freedoms which Aboriginals have been granted, not to accept our help.

Aboriginal communities are always in court (I'd guarantee there are probably a dozen cases on at this very moment) arguing over where their money goes, and it can always be traced as far as the Communities themselves, but due to the fact that the Communities demand to administer their own funds with elected Aboriginal councils and they are not required to keep any form of accounting, the trail from that point on is impossible to follow. It is also obvious by the tone of the letter and the fact that the writer refers to Aboriginals as "Abos" that he is not really a great admirer of the Aboriginals and pointing out what we all know,... (but are forbidden to say because it would offend the more vocal Aboriginals), the money for the most part, is being wasted, doing things like, buying drugs and alcohol and hiring aircraft to fly it in to remote communities, bypassing community administered alcohol regulations, or buying top of the line 4 wheel drives that are driven until they stop and then abandoned in the surrounding bush (sometimes only a few months old).

This is a rare photo, because publication of such photos are deemed to be belittling to aboriginals.

These people living here could have a house with electricity, sewage and running water, BUT they do not want to live like that, and we are not allowed to force them. Only two years ago the aboriginals stopped a government plan designed to prevent the endemic (often incestuous) sexual molestation of children by Aboriginals within their own communities. We were told by their representatives that it was insulting and paternalistic.

It could all be stopped if the government was allowed to control the money to the end use, but NO!,... that is condescending and not allowed, by the choice of the aboriginals themselves. Every time white Australians want to correct the situation it is the Aboriginals who object, we can't even force their children to attend school, and idiots like yourself wonder why so many of them are not moving ahead at the same pace as the non Aboriginal community.

The whole point being that you of all people can't tell anyone about mistreating native people. And just for the record, the majority Aboriginals don't want their land back as they know that if the whites were to go, they would have two choices, either revert to being hunter gatherers, (0% chance) or have the Indonesians or Chinese take over.

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Originally Posted by VDKMS
Again a lot of words but no substance. When will you ever learn?
That was a p!ss weak excuse of an answer even for you.
Yes a lot of words showing you up for the racist supporter of ethnic cleansing that you are, but it's obvious that you have not learned, nor have any desire to do so.
May 13th, 2013  
VDKMS
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by senojekips
Liar! You eagerly emulate all the very worst of his principles and promote them at every opportunity.
Talkling in front of the mirror again?

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That reader is probably very close to the truth, but it doesn't mean what you think. Bearing in mind that nearly all of the administrators who actually handle the cash, are Aboriginals themselves, and this is as a result of their own decision. The Australian Taxpayers know the problems, and we know the the way towards curing them, but are hamstrung in implementing any cure by the freedoms which Aboriginals have been granted, not to accept our help.

Aboriginal communities are always in court (I'd guarantee there are probably a dozen cases on at this very moment) arguing over where their money goes, and it can always be traced as far as the Communities themselves, but due to the fact that the Communities demand to administer their own funds with elected Aboriginal councils and they are not required to keep any form of accounting, the trail from that point on is impossible to follow. It is also obvious by the tone of the letter and the fact that the writer refers to Aboriginals as "Abos" that he is not really a great admirer of the Aboriginals and pointing out what we all know,... (but are forbidden to say because it would offend the more vocal Aboriginals), the money for the most part, is being wasted, doing things like, buying drugs and alcohol and hiring aircraft to fly it in to remote communities, bypassing community administered alcohol regulations, or buying top of the line 4 wheel drives that are driven until they stop and then abandoned in the surrounding bush (sometimes only a few months old).

This is a rare photo, because publication of such photos are deemed to be belittling to aboriginals.

These people living here could have a house with electricity, sewage and running water, BUT they do not want to live like that, and we are not allowed to force them. Only two years ago the aboriginals stopped a government plan designed to prevent the endemic (often incestuous) sexual molestation of children by Aboriginals within their own communities. We were told by their representatives that it was insulting and paternalistic.

It could all be stopped if the government was allowed to control the money to the end use, but NO!,... that is condescending and not allowed, by the choice of the aboriginals themselves. Every time white Australians want to correct the situation it is the Aboriginals who object, we can't even force their children to attend school, and idiots like yourself wonder why so many of them are not moving ahead at the same pace as the non Aboriginal community.

The whole point being that you of all people can't tell anyone about mistreating native people. And just for the record, the majority Aboriginals don't want their land back as they know that if the whites were to go, they would have two choices, either revert to being hunter gatherers, (0% chance) or have the Indonesians or Chinese take over.
"Elders pledge for homeland support
In 2009 a delegation of elders from across East Arnhem Land visited Canberra and pleaded with politicians to help them to rescue future generations by allowing them to live on their homelands. The elders presented a petition of over 27,000 signatures urging the government to secure the future of homeland communities.
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That was a p!ss weak excuse of an answer even for you.
Yes a lot of words showing you up for the racist supporter of ethnic cleansing that you are, but it's obvious that you have not learned, nor have any desire to do so.
During the 1948 War of Independence, Arab armies razed Jewish communities and killed or expelled all Jews in the West Bank and Gaza. No Jews were allowed to live in Arab-occupied zones.
Jordan took control of the West Bank and refused to protect Jewish holy sites. In East Jerusalem alone, 57 synagogues, libraries and houses of learning, many of them centuries old, were desecrated and destroyed, their stones later used to build urinals, sidewalks and roads.
Between 1948 and 2000, the Jewish population in Middle Eastern and North African countries dropped from around 900,000 to less than 50,000.

That's etnic cleansing!
May 13th, 2013  
Del Boy
 
Talking in front of the mirror again Seno! Yes, precisely what has always struck me regarding the man who would be a Jew! All of the complaints he directs at those who do not agree with him amount to an easily recognisable image of himself!

I have tried to explain to him why I have found him completely unacceptable as a Jew.

I must try not to be too hard on him in that respect, so I can offer him the chance to redeem himself. The ultimate test I always use in such cases is this one.

He must be able to learn and sing this important Jewish anthem:-

" My Yidishire Momma - I miss her more than ever now.
My Yidishire Momma - I long to kiss her wrinkled brow.
For I know that I owe all I am today
To that dear old lady, so wrinkled and grey.
To my wonderful Yidishire Momma,
Momma - Momma mine!"

He can try that for size!
May 13th, 2013  
senojekips
 
 
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Originally Posted by VDKMS
Talkling in front of the mirror again?
No, wasting my time talking to a racist mental pygmy who resides in Spain.

Quote:
Originally Posted by VDKMS
"Elders pledge for homeland support
In 2009 a delegation of elders from across East Arnhem Land visited Canberra and pleaded with politicians to help them to rescue future generations by allowing them to live on their homelands. The elders presented a petition of over 27,000 signatures urging the government to secure the future of homeland communities.
"

One minute you are telling me that we Australians don't take care of our Aboriginal population by allowing them to live in stone age conditions, and next you are posting information allegedly supporting that we should allow more of them to return to this existence living in camps such as seen in the photo I posted earlier.

Personally I believe that those who want these homelands" should be given them, but they must then undertake not to claim the white community is responsible for their poor living conditions and health problems that arise from living like this.

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Originally Posted by VDKMS
During the 1948 War of Independence, Arab armies razed Jewish communities and killed or expelled all Jews in the West Bank and Gaza. No Jews were allowed to live in Arab-occupied zones.
Jordan took control of the West Bank and refused to protect Jewish holy sites. In East Jerusalem alone, 57 synagogues, libraries and houses of learning, many of them centuries old, were desecrated and destroyed, their stones later used to build urinals, sidewalks and roads.
Between 1948 and 2000, the Jewish population in Middle Eastern and North African countries dropped from around 900,000 to less than 50,000.

That's etnic cleansing!
As has been pointed out numerous times already self defence in your own homeland is no crime, and in view of what has happened since absolutely understandable. It was no more ethnic cleansing than the harassment and murder of Germans in occupied territories was ethnic cleansing in World War II. Exactly the same thing happened in occupied countries in Europe where Germans who had lived there for generations were attacked and killed.

In hindsite it was all very much deserved, obviously these "dumb Arabs" were not a stupid as you imagined and could see the writing on the wall.
 


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