So why do people hate Israel? - Page 115




 
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March 17th, 2013  
senojekips
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by u donkey
You are a typical white guy that envy the China cooperations with Afrian.
I've been to some of these countries, have you? Obviously not,... you can't tell the difference between envy and fact, and the reason for that is that you have lived all your life being lied to by you politicians.
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China, land of "The Great leap Forward" 大躍進 that in two years put you country back 20 years and wasted huge amounts of resources and manpower.

China the land where the Five year plan had to be abandoned after two years because of the famine it caused.

China, land of "The Red Guards" who destroyed the only people who could have really helped your country.

China the land where your stupid plans resulted in the deaths of up to 42 million people dying of famine, starvation and overwork, all for nothing.
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There are many people who can fault some things done by the West, but China is certainly not one of them.

I know what the people in these countries think of China and I know why they think that way.
March 17th, 2013  
BritinBritain
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by senojekips
I've been to some of these countries, have you? Obviously not,... you can't tell the difference between envy and fact, and the reason for that is that you have lived all your life being lied to by you politicians.
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China, land of "The Great leap Forward" 大躍進 that in two years put you country back 20 years and wasted huge amounts of resources and manpower.

China the land where the Five year plan had to be abandonesd after two years because of the famine it caused.

China, land of "The Red Guards" who destroyed the only people who could have really helped your country.

China the land where your stupid plans resulted in the deaths of up to 42 million people dying of famine, starvation and overwork, all for nothing.
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There are many people who can fault some things done by the West, but China is certainly not one of them.

I know what the people in these countries think of China and I know why they think that way.
I think Stalin said it best when speaking of his people under his control, "They are useful idiots."

That also applies to the Chinese.
March 17th, 2013  
udaka
 
senojekips, What your propose as you mislead the topic? when we talking about topic about Africa! You still had not answer my question,what the European bring to African people after they exploit African for hundreds of years? You accused the ccp give rsie to "大躍進" or famine, what is the relationship with African?

I already told everybody I dislike and hate the CCP many times in my posts,if you no able to overturn the evil CCP, please don't repeat to me once again. You should remember ,I only speak for China not for CCP in some international affairs, because I am Chinese.


You repeat CCP is very horrible.Right,I agree your point. But is that can prove the white are some good guys? Sorry, the angle I observer the questions is base on I am a human, No matter the question infer the white race ,black race ,Asian race or American Indian.


Quote:
Originally Posted by senojekips
I've been to some of these countries, have you? Obviously not,... you can't tell the difference between envy and fact, and the reason for that is that you have lived all your life being lied to by you politicians.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
China, land of "The Great leap Forward" 大躍進 that in two years put you country back 20 years and wasted huge amounts of resources and manpower.

China the land where the Five year plan had to be abandoned after two years because of the famine it caused.

China, land of "The Red Guards" who destroyed the only people who could have really helped your country.

China the land where your stupid plans resulted in the deaths of up to 42 million people dying of famine, starvation and overwork, all for nothing.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

There are many people who can fault some things done by the West, but China is certainly not one of them.

I know what the people in these countries think of China and I know why they think that way.
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March 17th, 2013  
senojekips
 
 
I am not "misleading the topic" you are. In case you did not realise it, this thread is about Israel and you are probably well on your way to being banned permanently for posting your rubbish in unrelated threads.

The point is, that you come on this forum trying to criticise Europeans for doing 200 years ago, exactly what China is doing now.

Europeans built railways and infrastructure in Africa when Chinese people were still living in a feudal system, most of these countries only declined to where they are now after the Europeans left. My examples showing how stupid the government of your country is, were given to demonstrate that coming from China, you of all people cannot criticise anyone. That is the relationship.

China can't even run itself properly yet. You think that by copying the West without any real understanding of what you are doing makes you are modern and progressive, but really it is only "monkey see, monkey do", and you make all the same stupid mistakes, like throwing farmers off their good productive land to build sky scraper cities, then finding out that no one can live in them because they are built in the wrong places where there is no work available for the occupants and no one can afford them anyway. Places like Ordos, Erenhot and Zhengzhou New District, which is is China's biggest ghost city, complete with entire blocks of totally empty accommodation. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...-deserted.html

Chinese Deserted Cities


Quote:
Originally Posted by u donkey
senojekips, What your propose as you mislead the topic? when we talking about topic about Africa! You still had not answer my question,what the European bring to African people after they exploit African for hundreds of years? You accused the ccp give rsie to "大躍進" or famine, what is the relationship with African?

I already told everybody I dislike and hate the CCP many times in my posts,if you no able to overturn the evil CCP, please don't repeat to me once again. You should remember ,I only speak for China not for CCP in some international affairs, because I am Chinese.

You repeat CCP is very horrible.Right,I agree your point. But is that can prove the white are some good guys? Sorry, the angle I observer the questions is base on I am a human, No matter the question infer the white race ,black race ,Asian race or American Indian.
March 18th, 2013  
udaka
 
why I talking about 'assisatance of Afrcian.' because I point out 'USA was rubblish ,often bully the weak race.
On contrast, China often help the weak race like assistance black Afircan, so they respect China.' Then your reply continue my topic of African. we begin discuss African now. If I mislead the topic ,why you very stupid continue about Africa?

You claim the white built railways and infrastructure before one hundred of years,where and when? If these white guys really built some railways in Africa,that must for transport the materials what they rob from Africa, not for the benifits of African people. I repeat the question again,' why African people still trap in poverty,hungry,disease ? after west countries socall they give african many assistance per year. Where the so-call asssitance of west.' Maybe these white guys sit in office, move their fat ass on the chairs,enjoy the air-conditioning,sign the blank checks one after ONE. Then tell the African people ,'we already assistance you ,you must appreciate us.'
And 7 billions poeople find out the truth through television ,'numerous children of African on the starve margin,many Slums scatter arounds the big citys of African continent.In the slums no clean water,no electricity,no enough foods,even no the most simple funiture.'
Then the people rest of the world :' Oh, we know,that is the so-call 'humanity assistance' of the west!

As for you said China copy the technology of West.' Yes ,we are,but just for temprorary. If no the firepowder invented by Chinese,The Eurpeoan can conquer the world only use lance? If no compass invented by Chinese, can the Columbus discover the new land? Maybe he will lose direction on the sea.If no Papermaking and printing invented by Chinese? Could the European recorded theirs history and what they discover and progress?
Ok,our technology backward from the European by now, that we must admit. But China or other nations of the world will backward forever compare the white?? I don't think so!


I remember you defend for Palastain in some posts, accused the Jews massacre the Palastain people, as if you are the law officer who maintain the justify.
Why you so hpocritical and shameless when we refer help and compensate the African people?


Quote:
Originally Posted by senojekips
I am not "misleading the topic" you are. In case you did not realise it, this thread is about Israel and you are probably well on your way to being banned permanently for posting your rubbish in unrelated threads.

The point is, that you come on this forum trying to criticise Europeans for doing 200 years ago, exactly what China is doing now.

Europeans built railways and infrastructure in Africa when Chinese people were still living in a feudal system, most of these countries only declined to where they are now after the Europeans left. My examples showing how stupid the government of your country is, were given to demonstrate that coming from China, you of all people cannot criticise anyone. That is the relationship.

China can't even run itself properly yet. You think that by copying the West without any real understanding of what you are doing makes you are modern and progressive, but really it is only "monkey see, monkey do", and you make all the same stupid mistakes, like throwing farmers off their good productive land to build sky scraper cities, then finding out that no one can live in them because they are built in the wrong places where there is no work available for the occupants and no one can afford them anyway. Places like Ordos, Erenhot and Zhengzhou New District, which is is China's biggest ghost city, complete with entire blocks of totally empty accommodation. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...-deserted.html

Chinese Deserted Cities
March 18th, 2013  
I3BrigPvSk
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by udaka
why I talking about 'assisatance of Afrcian.' because I point out 'USA was rubblish ,often bully the weak race.
On contrast, China often help the weak race like assistance black Afircan, so they respect China.' Then your reply continue my topic of African. we begin discuss African now. If I mislead the topic ,why you very stupid continue about Africa?

You claim the white built railways and infrastructure before one hundred of years,where and when? If these white guys really built some railways in Africa,that must for transport the materials what they rob from Africa, not for the benifits of African people. I repeat the question again,' why African people still trap in poverty,hungry,disease ? after west countries socall they give african many assistance per year. Where the so-call asssitance of west.' Maybe these white guys sit in office, move their fat ass on the chairs,enjoy the air-conditioning,sign the blank checks one after ONE. Then tell the African people ,'we already assistance you ,you must appreciate us.'
And 7 billions poeople find out the truth through television ,'numerous children of African on the starve margin,many Slums scatter arounds the big citys of African continent.In the slums no clean water,no electricity,no enough foods,even no the most simple funiture.'
Then the people rest of the world :' Oh, we know,that is the so-call 'humanity assistance' of the west!

As for you said China copy the technology of West.' Yes ,we are,but just for temprorary. If no the firepowder invented by Chinese,The Eurpeoan can conquer the world only use lance? If no compass invented by Chinese, can the Columbus discover the new land? Maybe he will lose direction on the sea.If no Papermaking and printing invented by Chinese? Could the European recorded theirs history and what they discover and progress?
Ok,our technology backward from the European by now, that we must admit. But China or other nations of the world will backward forever compare the white?? I don't think so!


I remember you defend for Palastain in some posts, accused the Jews massacre the Palastain people, as if you are the law officer who maintain the justify.
Why you so hpocritical and shameless when we refer help and compensate the African people?
The Europeans built up the infrastructure in Africa, not the US. What China is doing in Africa can not be called to support the countries in Africa. China wants the natural resources in Africa and gives a damn about the living conditions of the native population. China supported and prolonged the conflict in Darfur.

Can we go back to Israel? I think it is important to make a distinction between the government of Israel and the Israelis. It is the easy way to hate both, but we need to be selective
March 18th, 2013  
senojekips
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by u donkey
why I talking about 'assisatance of Afrcian.' because I point out 'USA was rubblish ,often bully the weak race.
On contrast, China often help the weak race like assistance black Afircan, so they respect China.' Then your reply continue my topic of African. we begin discuss African now. If I mislead the topic ,why you very stupid continue about Africa?
China is not assisting Africa, China is assisting China building road and railways so that they can plunder the mineral riches of these countries. They are doing exactly the same as the Europeans did more than 100 years ago, we learned the error of our ways but China has not.

Quote:
Originally Posted by u donkey
You claim the white built railways and infrastructure before one hundred of years,where and when? If these white guys really built some railways in Africa,that must for transport the materials what they rob from Africa, not for the benifits of African people.
I don't deny that, and that is exactly the same reason why China is doing the same thing now. Your trouble is that you believe too much of your own propaganda China like most countries does nothing for anyone unless there is something in it for them.
In the late 1800s the British started building the Cape to Cairo railway, it was never completed but many parts were in Uganda and Tanzania and other countries, the Belgians and Germans also did the same in their colonies, look it up or don't Chinese computers have Google?

Quote:
Originally Posted by u donkey
I repeat the question again,' why African people still trap in poverty,hungry,disease ? after west countries socall they give african many assistance per year. And 7 billions poeople find out the truth through television ,'numerous children of African on the starve margin,many Slums scatter arounds the big citys of African continent.In the slums no clean water,no electricity,no enough foods,even no the most simple funiture.'
Then the people rest of the world :' Oh, we know,that is the so-call 'humanity assistance' of the west!
The poverty and hunger and disease have risen out of sight since many of the European colonial powers left Africa and have been re-placed by dictators and despots like Robert Mugabe.

You seem to think that because you invented a few things many years before the Europeans that they would not have been developed at all, there is no proof of this whatsoever. The Europeans (and others) also invented many other things long before the Chinese. Which raises the question if the Chinese were so smart then why did they go backwards for the next 1800 years?

Quote:
Originally Posted by u donkey
I remember you defend for Palastain in some posts, accused the Jews massacre the Palastain people, as if you are the law officer who maintain the justify.
Why you so hpocritical and shameless when we refer help and compensate the African people?
There is no similarity between your argument and mine. You are just pushing Chinese propaganda trying to make your own country look big, whereas I am defending people that I have no relation to, in fact my ancestry is Jewish.

So while we are on the subject of countries forcefully colonising others at gunpoint, "why is China still occupying Tibet'? Why do Chinese border guards shoot Tibetans trying to escape to Nepal, If this is your idea of Chinese aid to the Tibetan people, I think they can do without it.
Chinese Army Shoot Tibetan Refugees
March 18th, 2013  
MontyB
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by I3BrigPvSk
Can we go back to Israel? I think it is important to make a distinction between the government of Israel and the Israelis. It is the easy way to hate both, but we need to be selective
Why do we need to be selective?
Israel sells itself as a democracy therefore Israelis are responsible for the actions of the people they elect as we all are in democracies.

In a recent poll (November 2012) 56% of Israelis described the status of Arabs in Israel as "Legal equity but institutional and societal discrimination" and a further 8% refered to it as "an apartheid system" so there is no chance that Israelis can claim they don't know the problems exist.

But perhaps this is understandable in a nation where being Jewish (50%) is more important than being Israeli (37%)?

So as mentioned why do we need to be selective, I am not for an instant claiming that all Israelis are bad nor will I claim all Palestinians are good but when you know what is going on enough to admit it and still do nothing about it even when you have the power to do so then you can claim that Israel is carrying out its peoples wishes and as such the two are indistinguishable.
March 18th, 2013  
I3BrigPvSk
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by MontyB
Why do we need to be selective?
Israel sells itself as a democracy therefore Israelis are responsible for the actions of the people they elect as we all are in democracies.

In a recent poll (November 2012) 56% of Israelis described the status of Arabs in Israel as "Legal equity but institutional and societal discrimination" and a further 8% refered to it as "an apartheid system" so there is no chance that Israelis can claim they don't know the problems exist.

But perhaps this is understandable in a nation where being Jewish (50%) is more important than being Israeli (37%)?

So as mentioned why do we need to be selective, I am not for an instant claiming that all Israelis are bad nor will I claim all Palestinians are good but when you know what is going on enough to admit it and still do nothing about it even when you have the power to do so then you can claim that Israel is carrying out its peoples wishes and as such the two are indistinguishable.
So you are responsible for what the Gov in NZ does? Good to know. I agree with all Israelis aren't bad nor are the Palestinians
March 19th, 2013  
MontyB
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by I3BrigPvSk
So you are responsible for what the Gov in NZ does? Good to know. I agree with all Israelis aren't bad nor are the Palestinians
As an individual I have little say but as a New Zealander I have to accept my share of responsibility for what my nation does and if I do not agree with what it does then I should at least make sure my voice is heard.

The idea that we can adopt the post WW2 German approach to things and claim we were either just following orders or that "we did not know" was not a valid defense then nor is it now however this is not the issue with the Israelis we have here currently as they have made it abundantly clear that they support what their government is doing.
 


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