Snipers in the civil war




 
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May 18th, 2009  
tommy_gunn
 
 

Topic: Snipers in the civil war


In the civil war i heard story's that the union and the confederates had snipers trained to kill the enemy at ruffly 4 yards. Like to know more about this?
May 19th, 2009  
-- Dusty
 
 
12'? Hmmm.
May 19th, 2009  
BootStomp
 
 
While they did use them, the sout had a supple of them for the main factor, you are telling southerners who mainly hunt to go hunting basically in a sense. 4 yards? no they were killing at more like 100 yards. Both sides trained and used them.
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May 20th, 2009  
03USMC
 
 
They were called Sharpshooters then, both sides had them the most notable units were the 1st - 2nd Sharpshooters under Hiram Berdan for the union.

The Union Sharpshooters were often armed with Sharps Model 1859 .50 caliber Rifle. The Confederates used the Whitworth Rifle but had a limited number causing Springfields and Enfields to be used as well.

The kills extended out to around 800 yards.

Sharpshooters also served as scouts and skirmishers.
May 20th, 2009  
BritinBritain
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 03USMC

The Union Sharpshooters were often armed with Sharps Model 1859 .50 caliber Rifle. The Confederates used the Whitworth Rifle but had a limited number causing Springfields and Enfields to be used as well.
Years ago I fired a Parker Hale replica of the 1858 Enfield 45 calibre black powder rifle. I was amazed how accurate it was.
May 21st, 2009  
tommy_gunn
 
 
OK, the other thing is where they trained in camo and skills to survive like today or just over paid soldiers
May 21st, 2009  
03USMC
 
 
Like todays snipers no. They did use concealment and cover Berdan's troops had Green Uniforms but not as camoflage, Green is the traditional color of the Rifleman.

The field craft and camo used today has it's roots in the First World War and the Scot's Ghillies. Didn't exsist on this side of the pond in the 1860's.
May 24th, 2009  
mmarsh
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 03USMC
Like todays snipers no. They did use concealment and cover Berdan's troops had Green Uniforms but not as camoflage, Green is the traditional color of the Rifleman.

The field craft and camo used today has it's roots in the First World War and the Scot's Ghillies. Didn't exist on this side of the pond in the 1860's.
There is another difference in tactic as well...

Civil War Sharpshooters tactics were similar to those used by Napoleon rather than those of later more modern sniper teams. Meaning instead of shooting from concealment solo or in in small teams, sharpshooters would march up ahead of the line infantry as a group and attempt to widen enemy lines weak points (that were first being softened up by artillery). As opposed to attempting picking off key enemy personal individually.
May 27th, 2009  
03USMC
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 03USMC
They were called Sharpshooters then, both sides had them the most notable units were the 1st - 2nd Sharpshooters under Hiram Berdan for the union.

The Union Sharpshooters were often armed with Sharps Model 1859 .50 caliber Rifle. The Confederates used the Whitworth Rifle but had a limited number causing Springfields and Enfields to be used as well.

The kills extended out to around 800 yards.

Sharpshooters also served as scouts and skirmishers.

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Originally Posted by mmarsh
There is another difference in tactic as well...

Civil War Sharpshooters tactics were similar to those used by Napoleon rather than those of later more modern sniper teams. Meaning instead of shooting from concealment solo or in in small teams, sharpshooters would march up ahead of the line infantry as a group and attempt to widen enemy lines weak points (that were first being softened up by artillery). As opposed to attempting picking off key enemy personal individually.

That's the Skirmisher part of the mission. Although the South seemed to use sharpshooters in a more sniper like role than the north. Witness General Reynolds at Gettysburg.
July 2nd, 2009  
George
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 03USMC
Like todays snipers no. They did use concealment and cover Berdan's troops had Green Uniforms but not as camoflage, Green is the traditional color of the Rifleman.
Pre Civil war the rifleman's blue uniforms were trimmed in green, musket shooters(infantry) in Blue, cavalry in yellow, & artillery in red. By the C.W. there was no "Riflemen" designation. Berdan's men were issued green for concielment, though sometimes they got standard blue issued to them.
 


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