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View Poll Results :Are coalition efforts working?
Yes, I think so. 13 46.43%
No, I do not think so. 13 46.43%
Insurgent and Coalition forces, have locked heads. 2 7.14%
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April 14th, 2007  
AussieNick
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien435
Hence why the British and Australians will be pulling out soon, Basra and the surrounding province, which was the area the British were in charge of, has seen little violence since the start of the war so their mission is accomplished. A majority of the Iraqi provinces have seen very little bloodshed since March-April 2003.
Not too sure where you get the idea we'll be pulling out from (especially since we're currently ramping up middle east ops and deploying more soldiers) or the idea that these regions aren't seeing violence. It may not get the coverage that Baghdad gets, but try telling that to the lads of 2 Cav, 5RAR, or the AATT-I. We may move from one region to another once the situation is stable in the current TAOR (eg. Al Muthanna), but it just means we move to find a new task where we can be of more use, hence the Overwatch Battle Group West in Dhi Qar, SECDET, Australian Army Training Team Iraq, Australian Joint Task Force Headquarters, the RAAF C-130 det, the RAAF AP-3C Orion dets, HMAS Toowoomba, the Combined Explosives Exploitation group, and some various other bits and bobs I can't be bothered listing.
April 14th, 2007  
Yossarian
 
 
I hope those troop movements, along with other new structures of Iraqi government coming more independent, will help finally stabilize the country.

I dint like all this insurgency crap. I mean, they will fight to the end of time, but, they look at us as evil conquers , bent on the destruction of their ideals, and religion. Which, as far as I know, we haven't attack their religion in any way, whatsoever, since the beginning of the War, or the last GPWID , or 91. Which they say U.S., and U.S. allies forces in the kingdom of Saudi Arabia, was a embarrassment to them. Helping start all this insurgency and terrorism mess.

They call us evil sons a b****s, but, we have died, and killed, just like them, for what we believed in, are we really not that different?

(NOTE: I am not a terroist loving Panzy, but no fan of dead Iraqis, and Allied soldiers, from ISAF, to the USMC, to the British army, if they wear that friendly flag on their shoulder, then God bless em, all of them.)
April 14th, 2007  
mmarsh
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien435
Hence why the British and Australians will be pulling out soon, Basra and the surrounding province, which was the area the British were in charge of, has seen little violence since the start of the war so their mission is accomplished. A majority of the Iraqi provinces have seen very little bloodshed since March-April 2003.

Mission Accomplished? Sounds familiar. Where I have I heard that before?


A couple of things.

1. The idea that the British are leaving because Basra is safe is pure Washington Spin control. The general feeling is that its getting more and more dangerous. 4 British soldiers were killed there just 3 days ago.

2. The reason the British are leaving is due to the fact that Blair is in political hot water back at home. The consensus is that if Labour continues to support the Iraq war (which is extremely unpopular) the public might not support them come the next election. Or worse, Blair would face a no-confidence vote by his own party. His agreement to withdraw British troops was a gesture to political forces (soon-to-be Prime Minister Gordon Brown) back at home.
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April 15th, 2007  
Yossarian
 
 
Americans will be with only a hand full of allies still in Iraq then?
Well, the British did a fine job there, and , I think their withdrawl will have a big impact on the U.S. and other allied forces there.
April 15th, 2007  
major liability
 
 
The impression I get from the media in the U.S. is that we are stuck in a cat-and-mouse struggle with the insurgents that will be extremely difficult to bring to an end. A regular army can't defeat terrorism, and terrorists can't defeat a regular army. It is my perception - based on the news media and reading these boards - that the U.S. military's only true weaknesses are public opinion back home, and its morality, which is a major handicap in fighting this type of insurgency.
April 15th, 2007  
Yossarian
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by major liability
The impression I get from the media in the U.S. is that we are stuck in a cat-and-mouse struggle with the insurgents that will be extremely difficult to bring to an end. A regular army can't defeat terrorism, and terrorists can't defeat a regular army. It is my perception - based on the news media and reading these boards - that the U.S. military only true weaknesses are public opinion back home, and its morality, which is a major handicap in fighting this type of insurgency.

Then whats the mentality of the insurgents? They must have weaknesses too.
April 15th, 2007  
major liability
 
 
The weakness of the insurgents is that they do not have the funds or the technology of the most powerful military in the world. I thought this one was kind of obvious. But in terms of morale, you really can't beat someone who will sacrifice their own children just to blow you up. They sure are dedicated.
April 16th, 2007  
Yossarian
 
 
The scary thing is , what if they get friends in high up places? I mean, what if they smuggle in , or buy the technology we have? Then what? How could we fight that?

It would be a insurgent force, but, on a military scale, a army. We can fight armies, but, a army of insurgents, the ones that are causing multiple problems in the middle east?
April 16th, 2007  
major liability
 
 
I don't see how they could possibly get the money or the support to raise an army. And where would they do it? None of the other Middle Eastern countries wants to get rolled on like Iraq and Afghanistan.
April 16th, 2007  
KJ
 
 
The insurgents greatest strenght is that they are few in numbers hiding amongst a lot of people.
Some give passive aid, some doesn´t know insurgents live amongst them.
If they increased their numbers in the way you are suggesting they would be easier to confirm and after identified they would get handeled with the utmost speed and efficiency.

Their only way to "win" this war is if america with allies decides to withdraw without atleast guaranteing the most basic security so the Iraqis themselves can hold the fort once the allies are out.

intel and small unit operations along with large security forces while training WELLSCREENED Iraqis for the security forces is the way to go IMHO, but that requires no time limit..It´ll have to take the time it takes.
Are the americans in for the long haul?
THAT is the question.
 


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