Should we quit the UN - Page 5




 
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January 27th, 2012  
I3BrigPvSk
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by MontyB
The reality is you haven't proved that removing the veto would lead to the dire consequences you suggest hell to date you haven't even given me a positive that has come from a veto.

I would also suggest that "right" is far more accurately determined by a collective decision from 200 countries as opposed to 5.

I also have no doubt you do prefer proxy wars, those of us in countries that are not fighting them most frequently do.
To prove how the world had been without the veto we must go back before the meeting in San Francisco, 1945 and the creation of the UN Charter, we might get a situation similar as the League of Nation, which were more or less ignored, you want that? So the first statement I quoted here is really stupid, sorry. You honestly think 200 can decide about something when the five permanent members have a problem to that? The world is not black and white as you think it is. These 200 will and they are doing that in the General Assembly, will create alliancies. During the Cold War, the proxy wars were bad as I said, but they were better than a war between the NATO and the Warsaw Pact. It is better with 50 000 dead than 5 million, the lesser evil, and welcome to the world that is called International Relations, it is a hard and egoistical world
March 4th, 2012  
asma18
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by r.fox
the UN is based on fairness to all member countries. the UN was designed to take over from the league of nations and eliminate the downfalls of the league. one of the reason that hitler was successful was because that every one in germany hated the league. so what if some dodgy mistakes are made? the leaders in question would probably make a huge stink if they suspected that they were excluded because of there leaderships of their countries. its okay if they let them sit in on the meetings, but its another thing all together if they were even allowed to suggest things
And where have you been? Of cause it is corrupt and is now the forum for the Islamic states,how many of these states pay their way? very few.How many constantly harrangue the U.S. and other western countries?, how many of these piddle farting states turn to us when they have a disaster?[ all of them] The U.S. should ask the U.N. to move and who cares where it goes. I don't.
March 4th, 2012  
MontyB
 
 
Tell me how do you retain power in a communication hungry world if you you have no method of communicating?

Here is a clue, the US will never abandon the UN no matter how much the rednecks of America (nor Australia for that matter) may decry it because the second the UN packs its bags the US loses its forum to dictate to the world.

Lets be honest here it is only corrupt when it doesn't do what you want but if you want to fix it just remove veto.
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April 23rd, 2012  
r.fox
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by asma18
And where have you been? Of cause it is corrupt and is now the forum for the Islamic states,how many of these states pay their way? very few.How many constantly harrangue the U.S. and other western countries?, how many of these piddle farting states turn to us when they have a disaster?[ all of them] The U.S. should ask the U.N. to move and who cares where it goes. I don't.

i,ve been over in NZ. anyway the un is just as much a forum for christanity as it is for islam and to be quite honest, both can be as extreme as the other. and im sure that a LOT of other people besides islamic states harrase the US, but then again, how many people harrase the islams? and how long do you think a government will remain in power if it refuses to give diaster relief to a neighboor who needed it?
July 16th, 2013  
papasha408
 
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Originally Posted by VDKMS
I would keep the UN. It has many faults but also many good ones. If the democratic countries join forces, so wil the non-democratic ones and we will propably get another cold-war. The first thing that has to be tackled is the sluggish bureaucracy.

Is it possible to leave Israel and Palestine out of this discussion and focus on the tread title.
At least with a new cold war, there would be clarity. I am so sick of every 2nd and 3rd world country with an axe to grind, demanding the ridiculous.
July 16th, 2013  
papasha408
 
A good example of UN incompetence is the west's formula for Syria. They want Assad out. Only Russia and China are supporting him. Not being a fan of either of these countries, I believe they are right. Assad is a disgusting human being. But what would replace him? It would probably be another Islamic state. Oh hooray.
July 16th, 2013  
papasha408
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by VDKMS
You better come out of your cave. We live in a world were everything is linked toghether. In order to solve problems that comes with it you need a global institution. The UN is not perfect but for the moment nothing else comes close.
I think maybe I'd take nothing else comes close. At least for now.
July 16th, 2013  
BritinAfrica
 
 
One of the biggest failures of the UN was Rwanda genocide.

Most of the world stood on the sidelines during the Rwandan genocide based on past slaughters that took place in Yugoslavia. As reports of the genocide spread through the media the Security Council supplied more than five thousand troops to give a strong force. But because of the delay and denial of recommendations, the deployed prevented the force from getting there on time and arrived months after the genocide was over.

In the events that took place after the genocide, many government officials in the community mourned over the loss of many and were surprised about the world’s obliviousness to the situation that could have prevented the massacre from taking place. The Rwandan genocide did not interest the outside world as the Yugoslavia genocide did. The outbreaks in Rwanda were seen as no sufficient interest and value to prevention of the violence and was not interested to warrant the expense of resources and the risk to losing more casualties. The delay caused thousands of Rwandan lives to be lost and mentally and psychologically scarred millions of those who lived the story.
March 19th, 2014  
AustInglower99
 
 
I don't think we need to quit the UN. I think that we need to reform the UN.
March 19th, 2014  
senojekips
 
 
The UN will never be of any use to the world until the power of Veto in the security Council is removed from from the five permanent members.

It is designed to be a failure.
 


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