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2 Weeks Ago  
Capt Frogman
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by George
your view is tainted by the views of the Press, I guess. The NRA, in fact, teaches gun safety & proper shooting to many, including Law enforcement, hunting safety courses, run competitive shooting matches they also defend our 2nd Ad. rights.
If that's the case, why do they give so much money (bribes?) to politicians then? I'm not talking about small amounts of money either.
2 Weeks Ago  
Capt Frogman
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by George
Well, there's hunting, target shooting, collecting, and most important defence of one's self, family & country.
Well a lot of the weapons used in the mass shooting massacres aren't the short of weapons used for hunting. They also tend not to be the sort of historical gun one would collect.

But most importantly, with all of these weapons everyone has, not one of them as actually used them to defend "one's self, family & country"?

It's all well and good being armed to the teeth, it's a completely different scenario to actually have the mental strength, physical ability and marksmanship to confront and/or shot dead another human. That takes balls.
1 Week Ago  
George
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by MontyB
True but it is not about unrestricted firearms ownership either because it attached ownership to the maintenance of a regulated militia.
By modern standards that could be considered to be the National Guard, therefore it may be a solid argument to say that you have no right to a firearm if you are not part of a regulated militia or eligible to join one.

it is further tainted by listening to their total lack of empathy when responding to the weekly mass shootings.
They are gun industry lobby group and in general care nothing for the people killed and injured by them, it is in my opinion an appalling group that should be outlawed.
regulated meant trained back then, to have a well trained Militia, doesn't say anything about being a member. As I already said, the Fed. Militia act of 1790 says all males on military age are in the fed. militia. As originally written it required purchase of a long arm similar to that in use with the Army. The act was changed a couple weeks later after a lot of protest that the average person (who probably made 10 cents a day back then) couldn't afford to buy a $12 musket. The anti-gun types target guns at all levels, with sights on short or long term victory. They know that all guns will eventually wear out, so if they can put the gun makers out of business they'll eventually win. Same as these people say that the 2nd. guarantees the Right to own guns but doesn't say anything about owning ammo. Intellectually bankrupt. Obama put pressure on banks & financial institutions to stop offering credit or money processing to the industry to bankrupt them. So to defend the 2nd ad. they have to defend the makers as well. As far as lack of empathy we know that only the antis want incidents to happen so they can push the agenda forward. I would be great to have these shootings end w/o violating 350 million people their Rights.

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Originally Posted by Capt Frogman
If that's the case, why do they give so much money (bribes?) to politicians then? I'm not talking about small amounts of money either.
Both sides make contributions

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Originally Posted by Capt Frogman
But most importantly, with all of these weapons everyone has, not one of them as actually used them to defend "one's self, family & country"?
https://mic.com/articles/64663/5-peo...ves#.ase084xEO

https://www.dailysignal.com/2018/03/...d-lives-ar-15/

https://www.quora.com/How-many-times...nse-in-America

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...ruders-n739541

https://gunowners.org/defensive-use-...-attackers.htm

A quick Google search shows otherwise.
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1 Week Ago  
-- Dusty
 
 
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Originally Posted by I3BrigPvSk
The US has a real problem and you don't do a damn thing about it.

The problem is not the guns, I3. And I am as serious as a heart attack.
The problem is two fold. First is the parents. The second is the schools.
1 Week Ago  
MontyB
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by -- Dusty
The problem is not the guns, I3. And I am as serious as a heart attack.
The problem is two fold. First is the parents. The second is the schools.

Explosives aren't a problem either but I am sure no one is going to let you wander onto an aircraft or into a public building with a bag full and in most cases buying them requires registration and identification.


Cars don't crash themselves so they arent the problem either but you do need a license to drive one and the appropriate certifications to ensure the car is safe to be on the road.


Guns are the tools mass killers prefer and as such can and should be regulated along the same lines as any other dangerous tool.



There is no doubt that the problem is the mental state of the individuals carrying out the attacks but the difference between the USA and almost every other civilised country on the planet is that we dont just hand over the tools.


Quote:
Originally Posted by George
regulated meant trained back then, to have a well trained Militia, doesn't say anything about being a member. As I already said, the Fed. Militia act of 1790 says all males on military age are in the fed. militia. As originally written it required purchase of a long arm similar to that in use with the Army. The act was changed a couple weeks later after a lot of protest that the average person (who probably made 10 cents a day back then) couldn't afford to buy a $12 musket.

Intriguing because the only information I can find on it says'''
Militia members, referred to as "every citizen, so enrolled and notified", "...shall within six months thereafter, provide himself..." with a musket, bayonet and belt, two spare flints, a cartridge box with 24 bullets, and a knapsack. Men owning rifles were required to provide a powder horn, ¼ pound of gunpowder, 20 rifle balls, a shooting pouch, and a knapsack. Some occupations were exempt, such as congressmen, stagecoach drivers, and ferryboatmen.


I dont see anything there about owning an AR-15 in fact it specifically says musket.
1 Week Ago  
George
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by MontyB
Cars don't crash themselves so they arent the problem either but you do need a license to drive one and the appropriate certifications to ensure the car is safe to be on the road.



Intriguing because the only information I can find on it says'''
Militia members, referred to as "every citizen, so enrolled and notified", "...shall within six months thereafter, provide himself..." with a musket, bayonet and belt, two spare flints, a cartridge box with 24 bullets, and a knapsack. Men owning rifles were required to provide a powder horn, ¼ pound of gunpowder, 20 rifle balls, a shooting pouch, and a knapsack. Some occupations were exempt, such as congressmen, stagecoach drivers, and ferryboatmen.


I dont see anything there about owning an AR-15 in fact it specifically says musket.
I've seen both, that the purchase requirement exists & was used to justify the mandated purchase of ObamaCare or other health insurance, or that the provision was repealed as an economic hardship. At the time a musket was just a military grade shotgun, so requiring a military grade shotgun negates owning a civilian gun that looks like a military one? Also it seems kinda brain dead to think that everything would be frozen at what was available in the 1780s. Freedom of the press would be limited to local newspapers, speech limited to spoken words delivered in person, Govt mandated health care would be blood letting with Leeches, shall we go on? The Puckel Gun was patented, even though apparently not produced, Volley guns & bridge guns seem to have existed, innovation was going on back then.
1 Week Ago  
MontyB
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by George
I've seen both, that the purchase requirement exists & was used to justify the mandated purchase of ObamaCare or other health insurance, or that the provision was repealed as an economic hardship. At the time a musket was just a military grade shotgun, so requiring a military grade shotgun negates owning a civilian gun that looks like a military one? Also it seems kinda brain dead to think that everything would be frozen at what was available in the 1780s. Freedom of the press would be limited to local newspapers, speech limited to spoken words delivered in person, Govt mandated health care would be blood letting with Leeches, shall we go on? The Puckel Gun was patented, even though apparently not produced, Volley guns & bridge guns seem to have existed, innovation was going on back then.

Yet you seem to believe that the 2nd Amendment IS frozen in time.


The reality is that most countries have countless laws and "founding documents" that simply no longer apply in modern life and most of those countries simply let those things die a natural death, yet when it comes to firearms America puts a foot in any passing basket it can to justify keeping them unrestricted.


The reality is that any government could place controls on firearms and still adhere to the 2nd amendment simply by invoking all of its requirements as a prerequisite to owning a gun but it won't happen because the NRA has bribed all the politicians it needs to keep the status quo.
1 Week Ago  
Capt Frogman
 
 
“A 3-year-old cannot defend itself from an assault rifle by throwing a Hello Kitty pencil case at it,” Rep. Joe Wilson (R-S.C.) adds. “Our founding fathers did not put an age limit on the Second Amendment.”

Former Senate Majority Leader Trent Lott and former Republican congressman Joe Walsh (Ill.) also appear in the ad endorsing the program.

“In less than a month, a first grader can become a first grenader,” Walsh says.

But perhaps the most damning and ridiculous lines were given to gun lobbyist Larry Pratt, who recited them verbatim after expressing his staunch support for such an idea.

“Toddlers are pure ― uncorrupted by fake news or homosexuality,” Pratt says. “They don’t worry if it’s politically correct to shoot a mentally deranged gunman. They’ll just do it. The science behind this program is proven. At age 4, a child processes images 80 percent faster than an adult meaning that essentially, like owls, they can see in slow motion.”

https://m.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry...b0e7c958fc5b92

Some are even open to the suggestion of arming 3 and 4 year olds and allowing them to shoot people.

What the hell is wrong with some people!
5 Days Ago  
George
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Capt Frogman
“A 3-year-old cannot defend itself from an assault rifle by throwing a Hello Kitty pencil case at it,” Rep. Joe Wilson (R-S.C.) adds. “Our founding fathers did not put an age limit on the Second Amendment.”

Former Senate Majority Leader Trent Lott and former Republican congressman Joe Walsh (Ill.) also appear in the ad endorsing the program.

“In less than a month, a first grader can become a first grenader,” Walsh says.

But perhaps the most damning and ridiculous lines were given to gun lobbyist Larry Pratt, who recited them verbatim after expressing his staunch support for such an idea.

“Toddlers are pure ― uncorrupted by fake news or homosexuality,” Pratt says. “They don’t worry if it’s politically correct to shoot a mentally deranged gunman. They’ll just do it. The science behind this program is proven. At age 4, a child processes images 80 percent faster than an adult meaning that essentially, like owls, they can see in slow motion.”

https://m.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry...b0e7c958fc5b92

Some are even open to the suggestion of arming 3 and 4 year olds and allowing them to shoot people.

What the hell is wrong with some people!
Expected this to be from "The Onion". Not everyone is a genius. Haven't heard of Trent Lott since he retired back in '07.
5 Days Ago  
Capt Frogman
 
 
Nice to see the pro-gun people having their unhealthy obsession exposed. These people are deadly serious as well.

https://youtu.be/QkXeMoBPSDk
 


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