Self Production...Good or Bad? - Page 3




 
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June 23rd, 2005  
Missileer
 
 
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Originally Posted by Mohmar Deathstrike
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Originally Posted by bulldogg
Designation X means what? Experimental. How much money was spent on a weapon that even in its best trials cannot compete with the USMC's old M-14? $9,000,000.00 in FY 2002 alone. How many homeless people would that feed? How many landmines would that have removed from Afghanistan?
Didn't the geezer Ike Eisenhauer once say "Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired signifies, in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and not clothed."

Imagine where we'd be today if our ancestors had renounced military technology, research and industry 8,000 years ago.
No, President Eisenhower may have said it though.
June 23rd, 2005  
Mohmar Deathstrike
 
 
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Originally Posted by Missileer

No, President Eisenhower may have said it though.
I never claimed that he wasn't president when he said it. I did however type his name the way his ancestors used to spell it.
June 23rd, 2005  
Redneck
 
 
Mohmar the issue was with you calling him a "geezer," it is disrespectful.

As Sherman said, everyone should take a step back and cool down, no further instigation of or participation in flame wars will be tolerated in this thread.
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June 23rd, 2005  
Mohmar Deathstrike
 
 
Sherman Edit: You are testing the very nerrow and fragile borders of my patience. When they rupture you will be gone.
June 24th, 2005  
CSmaster
 
making weapon sure creates a lot of jobs,

and many military techs end up serving civilians well

like nuclear energy, radar tech

many civilian sectors are closely connected with military sectors, and they improve together


ppl in ancient world probably won't think hard to create iron tools if they have not thought of finding another more efficient mineral to create a better killing tool
June 24th, 2005  
bulldogg
 
 
I believe, and I may be wrong about this correct me if I am, President Eisenhower's statement that MD referred to was connected with his warning to the American people to be wary of the growing Military-Industrial complex. President Johnson's social programmes were IMHO a very definite step in the right direction and something that modern histories have woefully overlooked or not given him enough credit for. And it does pertain to this post in that self-production may or may not free up more capital for domestic programmes depending on the cost-effectiveness of producing as opposed to buying.
June 24th, 2005  
Mohmar Deathstrike
 
 
Sherman: No, I do not think Ike and Hitler deserve the same ammount of respect. If you wish to, PM me, do onot ansawer me here.

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Originally Posted by bulldogg
I believe, and I may be wrong about this correct me if I am, President Eisenhower's statement that MD referred to was connected with his warning to the American people to be wary of the growing Military-Industrial complex. President Johnson's social programmes were IMHO a very definite step in the right direction and something that modern histories have woefully overlooked or not given him enough credit for.
Was his social program the development of the welfare state? What did his reforms have to do with the military industrial complex? Did they curb its growth?
June 24th, 2005  
CSmaster
 
basic knowledge,

money spending on military will not go to welfare for sure

over-spending in military causes serious problems, like in USSR, the soviet empire collapse is partly caused by its over-spending in military (up to 20% of its GDP)

and in Reagen and Bush Senior's terms as president, the country's economy was pretty bad because of programs like "star war", thank to Clinton's cutting, U.S economy recovers pretty good after 1992
June 24th, 2005  
Missileer
 
 
I think that President Eisenhower's mistrust of the Defense Industry came from when he worked with contractors as General Eisenhower, the Supreme Commander of Operation Overlord or D-Day. The ability of industry to siphon off money for better and better weapons could and did spin out of control and he had seen it first hand. He also knew that Congress would never allow the US to be caught up in another Pearl Harbor and would fund every nifty idea that came from the Defense Department and the Defense Industry. He did not want see the graft and corruption that could occur as soon as contacts were made within the Pentagon by Industrial giants.
June 24th, 2005  
MontyB
 
 
I think self production is a good idea for the simple reasons that it reduces the reliance on foreign imports which during times when you need the military hardware is a good thing and stimulates the local economy.

Probably the only negative is the high cost of research in order to make the best gear although a lot of this can be offset by reverse engineering especially when starting from nothing.