Screw Trump and Trumpism!

AllianceN7

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Screw Trump

Screw Clinton

They are full of crap! I am proud to be American! I will not apologize for being American! I will not apologize for fighting bully politicians!

All tyranny must be destroyed! Russian tyranny! Saudi Arabian tyranny! Iranian tyranny! ISIS tyranny! North Korean tyranny! Muslim tyranny! Christian tyranny!

I am not afraid of Trump and his goons as well!

I love the military, believe in the right to bear arms, and clean water! Screw the war on drugs! I won't spend my money on that wasteful crap!

I hear Trump goons bully Muslims in American colleges! Well I think treating Americans who are Muslims as Americans and welcoming them into our culture and being nice to them will make America a better place and they will become more liberal on social issues as well.
 
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Screw Trump

Screw Clinton

They are full of crap! I am proud to be American! I will not apologize for being American! I will not apologize for fighting bully politicians!

All tyranny must be destroyed! Russian tyranny! Saudi Arabian tyranny! Iranian tyranny! ISIS tyranny! North Korean tyranny! Muslim tyranny! Christian tyranny!

I am not afraid of Trump and his goons as well!

I love the military, believe in the right to bear arms, and clean water! Screw the war on drugs! I won't spend my money on that wasteful crap!

I hear Trump goons bully Muslims in American colleges! Well I think treating Americans who are Muslims as Americans and welcoming them into our culture and being nice to them will make America a better place and they will become more liberal on social issues as well.

Unfortunately politics is a problem the world over, political parties are purchased by their funders (usually the same groups for both sides of the political spectrum) and politicians are purchased by their parties so the reality is that it doesn't matter whether you vote left or right you still get the same policies under a different guise.

As to whether "Trump" goons are bullying Muslims in colleges I don't know I suspect that is about the same as Jewish students claiming the Palestinians are bullying them, it is easy to be a victim in this world and in many cases it more about perception than reality (that is not to say it doesn't happen) and a perception is a powerful tool in the wrong hands.

Look at brightside, no matter how disappointing politics is it wont get any better so the poor bastards that follow us will really have something to moan about.
 
All tyranny must be destroyed! Russian tyranny! Saudi Arabian tyranny! Iranian tyranny! ISIS tyranny! North Korean tyranny! Muslim tyranny! Christian tyranny!



I hear Trump goons bully Muslims in American colleges! Well I think treating Americans who are Muslims as Americans and welcoming them into our culture and being nice to them will make America a better place and they will become more liberal on social issues as well.

How old are you ? Twelve?

Why should all tyranny be destroyed (besides : define "tyranny")? If other people prefer to live in a "tyranny " , who gives you the right to impose your political system on them ?

Being nice to Muslims will make America a better place ? :roll::roll:

And, why would it be better if they would become more liberal on social issues ?

The overwhelming majority of the world population refuses to adopt your political system , and, unless you are preparing to wage eternal war for eternal peace, you should admit reality ,which is that every country has its own political and social system ,and that all attempts to impose an universal world order,will fail, because such attemps are only imperialism, colonialism and racism .
 
I hear Trump goons bully Muslims in American colleges!.

You hear ? You are deaf ,because it is the opposite that happens : Muslims are bullying non Muslims in American colleges .

You should stop to listen to CNN,because it is bad for your hearing .
 
How old are you ? Twelve?

Why should all tyranny be destroyed (besides : define "tyranny")? If other people prefer to live in a "tyranny " , who gives you the right to impose your political system on them ?

Being nice to Muslims will make America a better place ? :roll::roll:

And, why would it be better if they would become more liberal on social issues ?

The overwhelming majority of the world population refuses to adopt your political system , and, unless you are preparing to wage eternal war for eternal peace, you should admit reality ,which is that every country has its own political and social system ,and that all attempts to impose an universal world order,will fail, because such attemps are only imperialism, colonialism and racism .

I think America would be a better place if all Americans were socially liberal.
 
What is : socially liberal ?

The majority of liberals are social liberals so I assume he wants the majority of the Americans to follow the mainstream liberalism. There aren't many liberals supporting the concept of the night watchman state anymore. Although, they all perceive the individual freedom as the most significant part of governance and dislike all form governmental control over individuals and their properties.
 
The majority of liberals are social liberals so I assume he wants the majority of the Americans to follow the mainstream liberalism. There aren't many liberals supporting the concept of the night watchman state anymore. Although, they all perceive the individual freedom as the most significant part of governance and dislike all form governmental control over individuals and their properties.

That's theory, but in reality it's the opposite :US liberals attack the first and second amendment.

One example : last year US Attorney-general Lauretta Lynch proposed to sue those who doubted climate change .
 
That's theory, but in reality it's the opposite :US liberals attack the first and second amendment.

One example : last year US Attorney-general Lauretta Lynch proposed to sue those who doubted climate change .

She was looking into a civil suit against the fossil fuel industry for their questionable science of the climate change. Quite similar as how the tobacco industry claimed smoking wasn't a health hazard. But that's is not what the TS said, he probably wants a more social liberal United States.
 
She was looking into a civil suit against the fossil fuel industry for their questionable science of the climate change. Quite similar as how the tobacco industry claimed smoking wasn't a health hazard. But that's is not what the TS said, he probably wants a more social liberal United States.

And, what is social liberal ? More taxes? Thus more power for the state ,thus less freedom for the people ?

Social liberals say that social liberalism means more social justice, but this can only be done by the state , which means that more social justice results in more state intervention and less freedom .

There was more social justice in Germany between 1933 and 1945, but less liberty .
 
And, what is social liberal ? More taxes? Thus more power for the state ,thus less freedom for the people ?

Social liberals say that social liberalism means more social justice, but this can only be done by the state , which means that more social justice results in more state intervention and less freedom .

There was more social justice in Germany between 1933 and 1945, but less liberty .

The Nazi Germany had very little in common with all forms of liberalism. All national states have what is called the social contract between the state and the citizens. This contract stipulate the safety among people (the rule of law, welfare etc) on the other side of the contract the citizens must give up some part of their freedom to get education, welfare, health care, and protection. The social liberals want the citizens to have the opportunity to choose between different kinds of education, health care etc if the citizen wants. The other side of liberalism is the nightwatchman state. That is a national state with only the government, the police, the military, and the courts of law, that's it. This perception of the liberal ideology is rather unpractical. If there is a need for a road, the citizen must build it by themselves. Preferably without any taxes at all. The social liberals have moved away from this perception and have borrowed a lot from the social democratic ideology with one major difference, the individual freedom to make their own decision about their own future.
 
The godfather of American Liberals, who call themselves now Progressives , was Woodrow Wilson . And it was Woodrow Wilson who wrote : "All that progressives ask or desire is permission .....to interpret the Constitution according to the Darwinian principle."

We know what Darwinism means : the survival of the fittests and the elimination of those who don't pass in the new world, in the melting pot . Those who are unworthy to live as was written and claimed in Germany between 1933 and 1945 .

Progressives, (social ) liberals are arrogant totalitarians who want to create an ideal world and who stick at nothing to reach their aim . History has learnt us that they are doomed to fail : classic example is marxisme that has failed with as legacy millions of deaths .

But the liberals(Obama, McCain,etc)are never discouraged and will not allow reality to block their phantasms .When there were riots in the ME ,their imagination ran wild : the Arab Spring arrived and the ME would becoma the new Eden . And when very soon, it was obvious that there was no Arab Spring, but that ISIS arrived, they closed their eyes for reality and supported ISIS .
 
The Nazi Germany had very little in common with all forms of liberalism. All national states have what is called the social contract between the state and the citizens. This contract stipulate the safety among people (the rule of law, welfare etc) on the other side of the contract the citizens must give up some part of their freedom to get education, welfare, health care, and protection. The social liberals want the citizens to have the opportunity to choose between different kinds of education, health care etc if the citizen wants. The other side of liberalism is the nightwatchman state. That is a national state with only the government, the police, the military, and the courts of law, that's it. This perception of the liberal ideology is rather unpractical. If there is a need for a road, the citizen must build it by themselves. Preferably without any taxes at all. The social liberals have moved away from this perception and have borrowed a lot from the social democratic ideology with one major difference, the individual freedom to make their own decision about their own future.

Safety for the people is not welfare, but the rule of law : the first and dominant mission of a state is to protect its inhabitants against domestic and foreign dangers . All the rest is secundary .
 
Safety for the people is not welfare, but the rule of law : the first and dominant mission of a state is to protect its inhabitants against domestic and foreign dangers . All the rest is secundary .

That is not liberalism, that's conservatism, or one of the other grand political theories, the realism. Welfare is a part of the safety for the social liberals, it's part of the safety-net they want. American liberals and conservatives differ a bit from their European counterparts. The Republicans are more classical liberals than being social liberals, the Democrats are social liberals.

The social conservatism is very close to the classical liberalism in many aspects, but the roots are different. Social conservatism embrace the individual freedom and so do the classical liberalism. The social conservatives oppose all social policy programs and so do the classical liberalism. There aren't many classical liberals left in Europe and elsewhere, but they still exist in the US.

So calling McCain a liberal is correct if you call him a classical liberal or a social conservative, but he isn't a social liberal.

Liberalism, Conservatism, and Socialism are all grand theories/ideologies and they all contain a huge variety of beliefs within them. They have different roots and social liberalism share some parts with the socialism, but it is far from being a socialistic ideology. Conservatism shares some traits with Nazism and Fascism, but it is far from being any of the two totalitarian ideologies. They all share some historical traits, but to call conservatives for being supporters of Nazism and Fascism is very wrong and rather stupid to do. The same goes for the liberals, they cannot be compared or associated with Marxist-Leninist-Maoist nor any other socialistic ideology.

Realism is the only political theory (it's not an ideology) without being attached to any of the ideological theories. National states tend to be close to Realism in matters close to defense, security, and international relations. Therefore, liberal states tend to following the Realism in foreign policy matters and defense. But they are very ad hoc about it. A state's relation with a neighbor depends on how they perceive each other. Are they hostile, then they are Realists and if they have friendly relations, they aren't Realists.
 
Trump is a New York Liberal, has been his whole life. Still 10x better than a Marxist Obama or Clinton. US economy has made great strides forward since the election. Personally I'd like to see him bring all the troops home, leave Europe for the Muslims, leave Korea to figure out what to do with Kim, they will probably surrender without the US to back them up.
 
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