Saving Private Ryan - Page 2

November 2nd, 2004  
Firstly, If kids get their knowledge solely from movies, we have bigger problems than SPR...
Secondly, the Monty comment is historically accurate. The Americans did think he was overrated, so their is nothing wrong about it being in the movie. Also, there were and will be movies about the British side of things. Ofcourse, most movies will be on the US Army because the movies are made in the USA...
November 17th, 2004  
Kids (perhaps age 13) should see the first 30 minutes of SPR. It is a lot more telling than what is written in their history book or what a documentary shows. Perhaps they'll gain a better understanding of what these men went through at Dog Green for example...and maybe even develope a greater degree of respect for these men as well. According to vets that were there, its the most accurate film ever made (regarding the beach scenes).
November 18th, 2004  
Young Winston
A great film. Very authentic from what I have read.

It is a pity national pride gets in the way of judging the film on its merits.

Omaha was the biggest bloodbath on D-Day so it does tell the story of the pity of being a soldier at its worst.

Don't want to sound cynical, but a film about a British unit on Sword beach starring Jeremy Irons is not going to make the same sort of money in the US cinemas. The US public usually want US heroes, particularly at the moment.
November 22nd, 2004  
Whilst i dont disagree that the battle scenes in "Saving Private Ryan" seem to be the most realistic in any movie i have seen i think people can pick up the wrong impression of the overall events of the day from this movie alone. Actually this is something i have noticed with the war movies of the last few years. "Saving Private Ryan" presents the bloody battle faced by the US forces storming Omaha beach. However from what i have read the opposition met by the forces on other beaches was significantly less than that experienced at Omaha. Also as has already been pointed out there is no mention of the british and canadian forces taking part on the day in "Saving Private Ryan". Whilst this movie and others of recent years give very harrowing and realistic impressions of combat experience i think they do so at the expense of giving an overview of historical events. For example, the battle sequences in "Saving Private Ryan" are more accurate than "The Longest Day" but "The longest day" gives a better overview of all the events and characters of the day. Similarly whilst the aerial combat scenes in "Pearl Harbour" are a very realistic depiction of generic world war 2 aerial combat and bombing i think no-one would disagree that "Tora Tora Tora!" gives a more historically accurate overview of events in this case.
Don't get me wrong i am not denouncing these modern movies totally but there are some people who will see just these movies and won't read a few books or watch other movies/documentaries to get a fuller picture of what happened.
November 22nd, 2004  
the film doesnt piss me off as much....more the fact that american kids are growing up thinking that they alone fought in WWII
November 22nd, 2004  
A Can of Man
Saving Private Ryan's selling points were

1) The Omaha beach landing. My opinion is that it's got to be one of the most realistic battle sequences on film. But historically, not all that accurate.

2) It's a good story about a guy who's only justification of ordering men to their deaths is gone by the nature of the new assignment. He felt that whenever a man under his command died, he died so ten or twenty could live. But when it comes down to having men killed to save one man it changes. But ironically in doing this one right thing for a woman he's never met (Private Ryan's mother) he finds peace within himself about his life and his death.

On another note, such an incident did happen, but in far less dramatic fashion to a soldier of the 506th PIR 101st AB Division. But he agreed to go home and I dont' think there was much incident. It is in Steven Ambrose's book "Citizen Soldiers."

Originally Posted by Imrael
Theres a passing mention in one of the Stephen Ambrose books to the central idea - a soldier being pulled from combat because two of his brothers had been killed on the same day. The name wasnt Ryan though, and theres no mention of any dramatic searches.

There's also mention in "citizen soldiers" by the same author of a lieutenant who might be the prototype of the Tom Hanks character - exceptional performance getting men off the beach at Omaha.
I guess we know that a lot of the inspiration for Saving Private Ryan came from Citizen Soldiers.
November 23rd, 2004  
Originally Posted by 03USMC
The comment concerning Monty unfortunately was a pretty common assement of him by American troops.

Not at D-day it wasn't.
Most of the damage to Montys reputation came after Normandy.
Before he put his foot in it with the US forces with his comments at the Battle of the Bulge and his post-war credit grabbing, he actually had a high standing with all the Allied forces not just the Commonwealth ones.
Remember at this time he hadn't suffered a single setback as a commmander. There was no reason for them to dislike him.

The comment has all the hallmarks of the rabid anti-Monty 'historian' Stephen Ambrose behind it.
November 23rd, 2004  
I believe that the damage to Monty's reputation came after Operation Market-Garden in October 1944. Monty proved that he could screw up an operation by being too bold as well as by being too cautious. Let's face it, Market-Garden all-in-all was a rather slapdash affair. out of the 10,000 Brits of the 1st Airborne Division that landed at Arnhem, less than 2,000 escaped alive. It deprived the Allies of precious fuel, airplanes, and men. Had the High Command taken the time to be more thorough, a major breakthrough could have been achieved in the South with Patton's 3rd Army. Also, the 101st Airborne troopers seemed to me to have been portrayed as green kids, inferior in training to the Rangers. While the Rangers were pretty tough guys, so was the 101st. They proved their valor 3 times, in Normandy, in Holland, and in the Ardennes forest. Just my thoughts.
November 23rd, 2004  
A Can of Man
On Market Garden:
Failure to take intel seriously was the key.
The reason why the Dutch underground's reports were disregarded was because the Dutch underground was penetrated by Nazi spies before. But disregarding the aerial photography was also poor.
The other was reliance on good weather for too long. Anyone who knows Holland will know that weather rarely stays good for any decent period of time.
November 23rd, 2004  
Originally Posted by beardo
the film doesnt piss me off as much....more the fact that american kids are growing up thinking that they alone fought in WWII
I for one didn't grow up that way. But thats just me. What would have been the solution to this?

While they are pinned down on Omaha Hanks turning to Sizemore and saying.

"Gee Sarge wonder how the Brit's and Canucks are faring on Juneau , Gold and Sword Beaches?"

"Gee Captain I don't know."