So I was reading that Saddam wants to "nagotiate". I have to say, this guy is a survivalist, hes truely afraid of death, not at all like a devout Muslim. I wouldnt be surprised if we find out were those WMDs went in exchange for this guy getting some kind of a break.

Id also like to make a point. On C-SPAN yesterday, the normal assortment of 20 year old US socialists were complaining about the war and saying Saddam wasn't really a bad guy. THIS GUY WAS ON THE SAME LINE AS HITLER! He killed 100,000s and had that same anti-semetic point of view. By Gods grace did he not have the weapons to deliver his means, but I tell you he would of if he did. To only leave the Iraqi's his fate is wrong, this man brought almost the hole world into a war and sacked a country overnight.

Originally Posted by GuyontheRight

THIS GUY WAS ON THE SAME LINE AS HITLER!

I agree with you on that.
But this is probably why so many says that he wasn't really a bad guy.
Like Hitler he has also done a lot of good things for his people and in Saddams case, also for a lot of other muslem countries.
But I think and hope that a lot of facts will be presented during Saddams (hopefully) trial, and a lot of people will get their eyes open for what he really did...

Yea but Im talking 20 year old Collage kids in America who are so closed minded beyong the radical left that they refuse to accept what history has said.

What do people have to say to these statements? These are not mine but were made by a friend on another bulletin board.

THE MONSTER IS DETAINED?! WHAT! SADDAM IS NOT A MONSTER, BUSH IS! WHAT RIGHT DID BUSH HAVE TO GO INTO IRAQ IN THE FIRST PLACE? THE MONSTER IS THE AMERICANS, NOT SADDAM! SADDAM HUSSEIN, I WILL ADMIT, DID SOME WRONG TO HIS COUNTRY, BUT HE IS NOT A MONSTER. THE ONLY MONSTER AROUND HERE IS BUSH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!NOT SADDAM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
AND I MEAN THAT TOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

AND GOD BLESS SADDAM HUSSEIN!

BESIDES, WHAT IS THERE TO GET OUT OF SADDAM? WHAT WRONG DID HE DO? HIS SONS WERE LITERALLY BLOWN UP BY THE AMERICANS, AND YOU THINK HE IS THE MONSTER?!

AND I'LL TELL YOU SOMETHING, SADDAM AND HITLER GOT IN CHARGE BECAUSE THEY WERE GENIUSES. I'M NOT SAYING THAT HITLER DID NOTHING WRONG, BUT IT TAKES A GENIUS TO DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT!
AND BY THE WAY, THEY WERE NOT AND DICTATORS!
THE ONLY DICTATOR AROUND HERE IS BUSH!

WHO STARTED WHAT?AN IRAQI GENOCIDE? IS THAT WHAT U MEAN? IF THAT'S THE CASE, THE US STRTED IT ALL. NOT HUSSEIN!

If you are going to talk about news you've heard in a reply to such statements please back it up with the source. Thanks.

Whoever said those things is a jack-ss, and I can back that up with common sense. People like that aren't even worth spending time trying to reason with, they're sensationalists, only out to cause a ruckus. They know that people will get really upset, and justifiably so, if they say something like that, and for some odd reason, they get off on it.
In short, it's not worth our time to counter such allegations, it won't matter what we say or do to try to convince them that they are incorrect, because they most likely already know that they are.

Also if that's your friend, I know it's none of my business, but I'd say it was time to start looking for new ones.



And GuyontheRight, I take offence to this:

Yea but Im talking 20 year old Collage kids in America who are so closed minded beyong the radical left that they refuse to accept what history has said.

just kidding

The problem is she actually isn't doing it because it will tick people off. She said it because she meant it. I know she doesn't understand what she is saying but how do I convey that to her. She will understand if I can show her what she believes is justifiably wrong. Now how do I do that?

Tell her to do a little research on her own, try to back up her own position before challenging the facts (or even the opinion of others). Obviously she needs to be better informed, but if she's not willing to put the effort into finding out the truth before making absurd claims, the truth must not be worth that much to her, and I stand by my belief that any energy expended trying to convince her of the truth will be wasted. Sorry.

Also, she makes no specific claims that can in turn be challenged and discredited, only irrational attacks. Like I said before, it's obvious her mind is made up (or she is just trying to get attention), and getting her to listen to reason will be an impossible task, but good luck if you still want to give it a shot.

Hm..

What can you say to things like that...

It's hopeless to try to argue against such statements, because as you say Redneck, it seems that she/he has already made up his/her mind.
There are still a lot of people around the world who claimes that the Holocaust never happened, and that it was just American and British propaganda.
I'm afraid that we'll see just the same thing happening with Saddam now.
Someone will never see the thruth, even if it walked right up to them and hit them in the face.. (Iraqi information minister!? )

And your friend is also talking about Saddams "poor" sons who where blown up...
Poor Uday, and what about his poor tigers that can't feed upon innocent students and girls that didn't do what he wanted them to do...
(yes there are proof that he fed his "enemies" to his tigers, and girls who were seduced by him did "mysteriously" dissapear too....)


Strangely enough statements like the ones of your friend Diplomatic, reminds me of a joke I once heard:
Arguing on the internet is like competing in the Paralympics; If you win, you're still retarded.... (no offense ment...)

Some people can argue, some people can't..

Why force anyone up on your opinion?..

Everyone will in the end see the truth and hopefully grow up..

Girls is often impossible to argue with.. That is the truth.. Do they agree? No, because they are unable to argue..

Anyways, I would just leave the discussion if I can't get through the other persons mind, boy or girl it doesnt matter.

Nothing will be good in discussing against a hard wind.

I think you guys understood.

Look at this argument that pissed me off for a moment..

I told some guys this in a forum:

Dude, What do you have against Bush?

He is one hell of a leader, and he is the only one doing something
against the damn terrorism.

I like Bush.

He aint so damn stupid compared to Clinton.

He replied:

All I'll say is read "Stupid White Men" and "Dude, Where's my
Country" (both by Micheal Moore) and then still tell this group you
have the same opinion.

That is a example where I stop discussing..