Originally Posted by cryhavoc

If you want to read about brave soldiers read the book "The Medal". Or talk to some WWII veterans sometime. Not the first wave veterans but the 2nd or 3rd wave veterans of an assault, those were brave men. Watching the first wave chewed to bits it took a lot of guts just to stand up and move forward.

yeah they were tought

No bastard ever won a war by dying for his country. He won it by making the other poor dumb bastard die for his. -Patton

Well hitkers boys were loonies,on them it was an great honor to die for hitler and germany,i know thats the right way but it was fanaticly wicked

Originally Posted by silent driller

No bastard ever won a war by dying for his country. He won it by making the other poor dumb bastard die for his. -Patton

damn straight

Ever heard of the 82nd or 101st? [paratroopers] They would be dropped in the MIDDLE of the enemy, with no med stations or backlines. I dont think even death itself could say you are more willing to die for your country then that. There was a part in band of brothers when i believe it was the 3rdID was pulling out of bastougne, 101st was sent in to hold the line with hardly any ammo, food, or winter clothes. A 3rdID guy was coming back from the line and says "its a massacre, you will be surrounded" Dick Winters [CO] says "We're paratroopers, we're supposed to be surrounded"

there was an army that fought, even when death was immenent (sp) they continued to fight.
the spartan king Leonidis let an army of 400 against the invading persian army, which was 20 as big as the spartan army. they fought guerilla warfare, and slowed thier progress into greece. they ultimately were confronted at Thermopolye, and were surrounded. they were offered to surrender, but declined and were ultimately killed by the persian archers, who were a safe distance from the spartans whe were fierce close combat figters. they could have opted for a ceasefire, but that was contrary to thier docrine, so they stood, and died

Heroic, but I doubt if it's a very smart thing to do........

Originally Posted by Locke

there was an army that fought, even when death was immenent (sp) they continued to fight.

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And actually, strategically, holding at all costs was very much the right thing to do, it gave the Greeks enough time to amasse their troops and prepare for what became the battle of Marathon, as well as dealing a crippling psychological blow to Xerxes and the Persians.

Originally Posted by Redneck

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Tnx Redneck, I knew I read that somewere on the forum, but I couldn't find it right away, and was to lazy to continue looking for it.

Originally Posted by Redneck

And actually, strategically, holding at all costs was very much the right thing to do, it gave the Greeks enough time to amasse their troops and prepare for what became the battle of Marathon, as well as dealing a crippling psychological blow to Xerxes and the Persians.

In this case it wasn't completely useless, but still I wonder if they couldn't have surrendered at the end. Live to fight another day, I mean. Of course I don't know if the persian army would've let them live, but to be shot by archers without being able to do anything about it?

Originally Posted by 1217

In this case it wasn't completely useless, but still I wonder if they couldn't have surrendered at the end. Live to fight another day, I mean. Of course I don't know if the persian army would've let them live, but to be shot by archers without being able to do anything about it?

I know sure as shooting that I would not have surrendered to anybody back then, you'd be liable to lose your head and your innards in no particular order, I'd take the porcupine way out over that any day.