Russia Admits China Illegally Copied Its Fighter




 
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February 14th, 2009  
rock45
 

Topic: Russia Admits China Illegally Copied Its Fighter


Russia Admits China Illegally Copied Its Fighter

By wendell minnick
Published: 13 Feb 12:29 EST (17:29 GMT)

BANGALORE, India - After years of denial, a Russian defense official conceded that China had produced its own "fake" version of the Su-27SK fighter jet in violation of intellectual property agreements.

"We are in discussions with China on this issue," said Mikhail Pogosyan, first vice president on program coordination, Russian Aircraft Corp., during a press conference here at the Aero India trade show.
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In 1995, China secured a production license to build 200 Su-27SKs, dubbed J-11A, for $2.5 billion for the Shenyang Aircraft Corp. The deal required the aircraft to be outfitted with Russian avionics, radars and engines. Russia cancelled the arrangement at 95 aircraft in 2006 after it discovered that China was developing an indigenous version, J-11B, with Chinese avionics and systems.

China produced six J-11B fighters for testing, but despite efforts to produce a suitable replacement for the Russian engine, the new fighter was outfitted with the same AL-31F, said Andrei Chang, a China military specialist at the Kanwa Defense Center. One J-11A was outfitted with the indigenously-built WS10A Tai Hang turbofan engine, but the J-11Bs are still using Russian AL-31Fs due to technical difficulties, Chang said.

Pogosyan and Russian Defense Minister Anatoly Serdyukov traveled to Beijing in December to attend the 13th session of a Chinese-Russian joint commission on military and technical cooperation and apply pressure to Chinese officials. Ultimately, China agreed to protect intellectual property rights and stop illegally copying Russian military equipment.

"I think this was a big step to make this issue more transparent and more precise in our future discussions," said Pogosyan, who also serves as the general director of Sukhoi.

Russia fears that China would mass-produce cheaper export versions of the Su-27 for the international market, and China feared that Russia would cancel future orders for advanced arms, such as the Su-33 combat jet for China's aircraft carrier program, Chang said. Chinese violations of the end-user agreement would be particularly upsetting to Russia's long-time strategic partner India, if Pakistan buys the Chinese-built Su-27 version.

However, Pogosyan downplayed the quality of the Chinese effort, saying a copy of a copy would not be a good aircraft.

"If we speak about the copy of the airplanes, I think that in this case, the original will always be better than a slightly modified copy," he said. "The original made by the designer who developed the product is always better, and it is a better start for a new program with the original designer and developer than making a fake copy."

He said buying copies makes it difficult to overcome problems occurring during the lifetime of the aircraft, while the original developer knows from experience how to deal with these issues.

Chang does not believe China will honor the intellectual property agreement, or any agreement with Russia, and will continue to develop the J-11B as a totally indigenous aircraft. However, China will move cautiously until it secures deals for the Su-33 carrier-based fighter. China is beginning to build its first aircraft carrier and needs Russian technology and experience, Chang said.

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February 17th, 2009  
-- Dusty
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by rock45
Russia Admits China Illegally Copied Its Fighter

By wendell minnick
Published: 13 Feb 12:29 EST (17:29 GMT)

BANGALORE, India - After years of denial, a Russian defense official conceded that China had produced its own "fake" version of the Su-27SK fighter jet in violation of intellectual property agreements.
HA HA! Sux to be them.

Now they know how WE feel when the Chinese do it to us!
February 17th, 2009  
Balkan-MiG
 
 
Cant blame the Chinese, the Su-27 is a superb dogfighter. Dont forget to mention that its ability to perform 'Pugachevs Cobra' is second to NONE.


Hopefully this could be resolved easily and without any Russian-Chinese relationships being hampered greatly.
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February 17th, 2009  
rock45
 

Topic: Cobra


The cobra is basically for air shows and not very useful against modern HSM.

The exported Su-30 Flankers with the sub-systems added are very good platforms overall.
February 17th, 2009  
Gebirgsjäger
 
 
China nor Japan nor many of the Asiatic "Tiger" countries have for the most part adhered to the intellectual property rights or agreements. Much of the technological advancements that have come out of Japan have been products originally built in the West, and than improved upon. While China, generally modifies on an existing object in terms of the appearance of the object and not so much the actual functionality or improving the overall design.

I really don't see this being as anything shocking. Most of their weaponry has been illegally copied from the U.S.S.R. or Russia, without license.
February 17th, 2009  
-- Dusty
 
 
Quite like magnetic submarine propulsion. MIT & Woods Holes had first dibs on it, then the Japanese got a hold of it.
February 19th, 2009  
Partisan
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gebirgsjäger
I really don't see this being as anything shocking. Most of their weaponry has been illegally copied from the U.S.S.R. or Russia, without license.
And most Soviet technology has been copied from the West, this is true globalisation my friends..
February 19th, 2009  
Balkan-MiG
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Partisan
And most Soviet technology has been copied from the West, this is true globalisation my friends..

What..?

Soviet conventinal technology [Tanks, APC's, small arms and such] were VERY different from western weapons. Ak-47 wasnt based on the M16 [It couldnt be though, M16 came out way after the Ak], though it was based on the Stg44, as [i think] all assault rifles during post war were. Most of the now modern Russian designs are based on Ak-47

T-62/72 etc were not like western tanks, they were so much cheaper and easier to produce.

APC's were also different.

Only times when technology might be similar is if they are to counter the other sides version [Like, Russia builds a super mega tank, America counters it with a similar design]
February 19th, 2009  
SHERMAN
 
 
There are examples to Russia using information gained by espionage or otherwise to use western technology. Just off the top of my head the British Jet engine Rolls Royce Nene was LEGALLY bought by the russians, than copied and used on the Mig-15 illigally.
February 19th, 2009  
Balkan-MiG
 
 
Oh yes, i know that. Both sides copied each other occasionally.
 


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