Royal Navy F***ed




 
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May 14th, 2007  
sven hassell
 
 

Topic: Royal Navy F***ed


Once upon a time not so long ago Britain ruled the waves:



Swap ship ... HMS Exeter has sister boat's crew

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By TOM NEWTON-DUNN
Defence Editor
May 14, 2007


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WARSHIP crews will be taken off their boats and replaced by other sailors after each mission under drastic cost-cutting plans.
The shock policy being drawn up by top brass will end centuries of Royal Navy tradition of each vessel having its own permanent crew.
Critics claim “hot-shipping” could create a fleet of ghost ships manned by crews with no loyalty to them.
It has also sparked fears for safety — with sailors being pushed straight into the frontline on unfamiliar vessels.
Ships have been assigned permanent crews ever since King Henry VIII began to build the first Royal Navy fleet in 1509.
But with a dire shortage of vessels and cash, hot-shipping is one of the only ways Navy chiefs believe they can now meet all the tasks demanded of them by the MoD.

Sea change ... HMS Edinburgh's crew flew home

Swapping crews means a ship can be left in position across the globe rather than sailing to and from Britain to allow its sailors a break between missions.
A senior Navy source said last night: “We’re being forced to think the unthinkable because the Navy has already been cut to the bone. Of course hot-shipping will be a disaster but it’s the only way we can survive without any more funding.”
Trials for the new policy — dubbed “Sea Swap” — have already begun. Sailors from the Type 42 destroyer HMS Exeter have flown to the South Atlantic to take over sister ship HMS Edinburgh halfway through its ten-month deployment.
Meanwhile, Edinburgh’s 130-strong company have jetted back to the UK to take charge of Exeter. It emerged last year that the Navy could soon be left with just 18 major sea-going ships — compared to 108 at the time of the Falklands War in 1982.
May 15th, 2007  
bulldogg
 
 
Not good. I can see why they are doing it though. The root of the problem is the budget cut.
May 15th, 2007  
mmarsh
 
 
Not good at all.

What happens if there is a national emergence and the RN needs to sortie en force? You have 1 crew for 2 ships.

Secondly, no 2 sisters are exactly identical. One almost has something the other doesn't. Just look at the US Nimitz class. They might look the same on the outside but once you get inside they really arn't.
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May 16th, 2007  
Marinerhodes
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mmarsh
Not good at all.

What happens if there is a national emergence and the RN needs to sortie en force? You have 1 crew for 2 ships.

Secondly, no 2 sisters are exactly identical. One almost has something the other doesn't. Just look at the US Nimitz class. They might look the same on the outside but once you get inside they really arn't.

France worried?
May 20th, 2007  
5.56X45mm
 
 
Well, Great Britain ain't that great anymore. With the current Islamofacist movement and the anti-war defeatist movement. The United Kingdom will be ripe for picking. Soon the S will HTF and the UK will need to jump into the fray. How are they going to do so with Hot Crews? They cannot! A permanent crew for a ship is needed. No two sister ships are the bloody same.....

Enough of this welfare state crap. Either people start pulling their own weight or they strave to death. You must work for what you want. You cannot expect the state to give you what you want and still expect and strong national defense.
May 20th, 2007  
bulldogg
 
 
The UK could very well end up, if they are not there already, whereby they are in the same boat as Canada and unable to police their own borders due to too few ships because of short sighted budget cuts... row row row your boats gently cross the channel merrily merrily merrily merrily life is such a BOOM!
May 20th, 2007  
Warwick
 
Geez the MOD has gone ruddy Barmey!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
May 20th, 2007  
Padre
 
 
One redeeming aspect to the report is that the Admiralty know it is a stupid move. They are not saying it is a good idea, lets try it. They know it is dumb but are "forced" to do it because of the severity of budget cuts.

That means when Mr Cameron gets into Downing Street and a bit more money flows into the RN we can expect things to get back to normal rather than Admiralty saying "hot shipping" is a great idea and practice.
May 20th, 2007  
bulldogg
 
 
Way to spot the silver lining there guv'nah.
May 23rd, 2007  
Yossarian
 
 
I think its really hard nowadays, to fund a modern , ready military properly in a democracy. But, if you look at the Soviet example decades ago, they had a huge military , hundreds, of tanks, and planes, and millions of military personnel.

But, even under strict communism, they went bankrupt to. Its a scary thought, the UK's Royal Navy is a key player in maritime security on the war on terror. Problems with them, may lead to problems with the other members of the coalition on the war on terror.

(i cant really say much on it, and if id said anything wrong, just kindly correct me)
 


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