ROTC as a fighting force, if given a chance... - Page 2

January 26th, 2005  
Duty Honor Country
First off, I am not degrading anyone. I am just telling it how it is.

Classes are the first step in a long process to becoming proficient at your job. Anyone can know the job, it's doing the job that is the hard part. I had 8 weeks of basic training and 7 weeks of AIT. You could say I "knew my job." I quickly found out at my first duty station that I was FAR from being proficient at my job. Basic and AIT only gave me the very basics to my job. THere was a lot of hard work involved before I actually knew my job. If I had gone to combat right after AIT, I would have been useless.

Read about the Hitler youth and you will see how young soldiers are. IN the book With our Backs to Berlin there is a story about a Sergeant Major who leads a group of Hitler Youth against the Russians. Although brave, the Hitler Youth did not fair well against the Russians. It seemed the Hitler Youth thought they were invincible and died very quickly.
January 27th, 2005  
That is a very good point, one in which I had not considered. I do agree that we in the program, no matter how physically fit or no matter how good at marksmanship we are, thats all we are, atleast until we put it into practice. Haha, proficiency may be a good an important piece to the puzzle. In fact, one of the Marine Corps Leadership Principles is to "Be technically and tactically proficient." Thanks for the input!
January 27th, 2005  
For one to be tactically we smart we all need to be trained in military tactics, which we are not unless you're the one reading field manuals everyday.
January 27th, 2005  
Would not be good because they do not have the correct training to deal with combat situations, the squad formations and the tactics needed for them to be an effective fighting force. They would only mostly be used as a last resort. The hicks out in the hills would be more deadly and annoying to an invading force.....

Semper Fi Do or Die
January 27th, 2005  
To their defence I would say that they would probably fare better than many other groups of young people. Hoever, they lack the real training even in the crudest battle tactics. I would assume, that if they were called upon, which would only haapen if the entire USA is under controll of enemy forces, they would learn by blood and improve quickly. Still, they would loose many many members in the learning process.
February 14th, 2005  
C/Cpl. Chirico
As a fighting force, the JROTC would be slaughtered. We're talking 13-17 year old kids, with almost no real training. Put it this way, if the US was at the point where it needed to put us into battle, there would already be a militia that you could join, with probably a better chance at victoty. And here, in NYC, where we can't have a rifle team , chances are things would go badly. Very badly. And as for those of you in here who think it can happen, no. No matter how hard you think you've been PT'd, no. Still kids, with little or no sense of what war reallly is. I'm not saying the majority of you, but a whole lot. Some of you may actually be able to put up a fight, I know only about 4, maybe 5 cadets that would be able to fight, myself included
February 14th, 2005  
Speaking as a guy who once wrote a fiction about this and worked with many other cadet forces, i have to say they would be slaughtered.
Unless they where up against a similar force or even just a conscript.
I mean if i had to go to combat I wouldnt take my lot into it , only one guy really who I would take in and that guy is a marine cadet.
March 6th, 2005  
The JROTC's would fair better than the boy scouts. At least some troops. My scout troop is almost comparable to a JROTC unit with a retired marine and now atf agent as scoutmaster and willing to give out his information on tactics and everything. If it came down to it, the senior scout patrol of my troop might last a battle or two if properly armed. If i was the invading force though, I would be afraid. Enter a borough in NYC and be attacked by mobs and gangs. Plus most police stations now have swat teams making urban combat rather interesting for the invaders.
March 6th, 2005  
rotc boy
out of my entire battalion of about 150 cadets, i would say maybe 10 of us would be anywhere near effective (myself included), the others would be horribly slaughtered, not even trying to fight, they would be running while the 10 of us try to fight back. i tell u what, if it comes to the rotc's fighting, we would be screwed beyond all belief, because there goes a large generation of kids....
March 6th, 2005  
Maybe some of the DEPers, but not JROTC.

I went to the local base's EST(I think that's it) place and in one scenario I got 3 times the kills of any of the DEPers and other cadets in there. they got 2,1, and 0... I got 7